To continue to go beyond the boards linear look at pm manipulation ,one must look at CURRENCIES.GOLD AND SILVER ARE TRADED ON FOREX DESKS NOT CURRENCY DESK>>>get it...there is way more in play than bank participation reports and hsbc and scotia mocatta and jpm naked shorting!!!!!!!!Do you think ag and au would be to the moon if ISDA(international swap and derivitives determined that Greece and spain nd ireland would have triggered cds payouts by Goldman and JPM and DEUTCHE etc. would have hurt the banking scheme and put A MAJOR BID UNDER BULLION and their Shares?????ITS all about confidence.....TPTB are making up the rules as they go!!!!!!Of Course their is manipulation....SOUTH and RETIRED STUPID!!!!!!!!DO you want me to continue...stop with such myopic thinking and BTFD!!!!!!!!You all talk shares ,holes,ni 43 101.....a mine is just a hill with a liar at the top!!!dig deeper...no pun intended.