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Penny_God

10/10/12 12:32 PM

#8014 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

Good post..

Sorry to be posting so many articles, but this stuff is coming fast and furious.

Today, the Court in Vringo (VRNG) vs. Google (GOOG) issued an order on Vringo's 2nd motion for discovery sanctions, which orders Google:

"to produce to the Plaintiff within two days of entry of this Order data that has not been produced as to Google, Inc.'s revenues for its properties based in the United States and AUTHORIZES the Plaintiff to supplement the report of its damages expert, Dr. Stephen L. Becker, within two days thereafter. Furthermore, the Defendants may not cross-examine Dr. Becker on the omission of his initial report of Google, Inc.'s revenues for its properties based in the United States."

What on earth does this mean? Based on the information I can piece together from the record, it looks to me like Vringo's damages expert, Dr. Becker, will be revising his damage calculations downward.

Here is the information I am basing this on. In Vringo's Memorandum in Opposition to Google's motion to exclude Dr. Becker from testifying at trial, Vringo states as follows:

"Defendants argue that Dr. Becker relies on "[a] grossly overstated royalty base." Specifically, Defendants argue that Dr. Becker's royalty base includes worldwide revenues."
"Defendant's position is ironic given that Dr. Becker's royalty base is calculated from the very documents that Google identified by interrogatory response as setting forth its U.S. revenue." [emphasis original]
During discovery "I/P Engine [Vringo] thus served an interrogatory seeking a definitive statement of Google's U.S. revenues," and "Dr. Becker properly relied on the veracity of [Google's] response in calculating his royalty base."
Google subsequently disclosed "new revenue figures that it now claims show the correct U.S. revenue for the accused products."
"Defendant's untimely production of this data is the subject of I/P Engine's [Vringo's] pending Second Motion for Sanctions."
"If the Court rules in Defendants' favor to allow them to introduce the untimely revenue data that Google now claims is the 'real' U.S. revenue, then as Dr. Becker testified, he will be able to adjust the royalty base[,]" as "this becomes an issue of mathematics."
Putting Vringo's statements together with today's court order, it appears to me that there was confusion during discovery as to Google's revenue numbers, i.e., whether the presumed U.S. revenue numbers were "cross-contaminated" with some worldwide revenue numbers. It appears that Dr. Becker's damage calculations in this case were based on a total revenue that improperly included some worldwide revenues.

Vringo sought in its motion for sanctions to exclude Google's updated U.S. revenue numbers, which amounted arguing that "It's Google's own fault if it gave us overstated revenue numbers, so we should be allowed to base our damages on that larger number, even if it is incorrect."

Based on today's order on the motion for sanctions, it appears that the Court would rightly prefer to have a correct damage number based on actual U.S. revenues. Therefore, the Court today ordered Google to supply all the U.S. revenue numbers, and is giving Dr. Becker the chance to recalculate Vringo's royalty claim based on those numbers. After all, from the Court's perspective, why use wrong numbers if as Vringo argues, the correction is simply "an issue of mathematics."

What Does This Mean In The Case?

1. Vringo's Damage Claim Will Be Reduced. This seems pretty clear. If Dr. Becker applies his royalty calculation to a smaller pie (US revenues), the result will be smaller. I cannot glean the magnitude of the reduction from any of the pleadings.

2. The Resulting Damage Claim Will Have Greater Reliability. Although it appears the damage claim will be adjusted downward, this is not the worst thing for Vringo. Vringo has the burden of proving the amount of its infringement damages with "reasonable certainty." It's hard to argue "reasonable certainty" as to damages when the numbers your calculations are based on are arguably wrong. If I'm a Vringo bettor (and I am), I'd rather go to the jury with a reliable number than a larger one.

What Are We Still Waiting For?

The Court's decisions on Vringo's motion to strike Dr. Ugone (Google's damages expert), and Google's motions to strike Dr. Becker (Vringo's damages expert) and Dr. Frieder (Vringo's liability expert) are still out there. Most likely, all the experts will be allowed to testify, but this needs to be confirmed by the Court. If an expert gets stricken or his testimony gets limited, that will be significant news.

Tomorrow is Wednesday. Google has to supply its updated U.S. revenues to Vringo by Thursday. Vringo's updated damages report is due on Saturday. Trial starts the following Tuesday, October 16. This doesn't leave a lot of time for settlement negotiations, does it?

Disclosure: I am long VRNG. I wrote this article myself, and it expresses my own opinions. I am not receiving compensation for it (other than from Seeking Alpha). I have no business relationship with any company whose stock is mentioned in this article.
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TheFinalCD

10/10/12 12:57 PM

#8030 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

$ 4.75 BREAKS= WATCH OUT ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TheFinalCD

10/10/12 1:01 PM

#8035 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

WELCOME BACK= The Rainmaker









Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:28:18 PM



Re: JJSeabrook post# 8005






Post # of 8033





Thought for the day.....Between now and the trial what's left that could hurt VRNG. I come up with nothing. For me the downside/risk here is gone until they possibly lose a jury trial verdict roughly October 26. Best I can tell VRNG is bulletproof for the next two weeks. On the flip side Google could cave and settle before then...Remember the stat was 97% of patent trials don't go to trial. VRNG could fall into the 97% metric anytime between now and October 16.

Next remember how we heard most of these cases get settled on the courthouse steps the day of the trial....So the crowd made a misread expecting Google to settle yesterday....if they were to settle it would be around October 16th.

Stock repriced itself down to the PP pricing which is what infuriated me the day the funding news hit....I knew if I didn't move fast that funding would have clipped me for 100k.....that was not helpful to the Nation of Me Me Me.Plus that funding forced them to use up the ZTE news bringing in buying to counter the PP shares.On the flip side that is the text book right thing to do.......save big news to offset dilution. Well I'm repriced back in properly adjusting for the funding and I'm feeling good here again.

Real/Perceived Risks that have been eliminated:
Summary Judgement throwing out case
Delay of trial pending patent review
Delay o f trial for any other reason
Markman rulings
VRNG runs out of money before the trial
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TheFinalCD

10/10/12 1:10 PM

#8041 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

I think next try at breakin EDGX with 58k @ $4.70 will go!
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High_Profits

10/10/12 2:42 PM

#8068 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

Rain Welcome Back !!
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SmarTrader

10/12/12 10:40 AM

#8750 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

Hey rain, is Oct 26 the final, 'end all, be all' date for this Google/vringo trial? Assuming there's no settlement by the 16th? Thanks in advance
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acrazjo

10/14/12 9:27 PM

#9660 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

This is a super post and worth the read. Really tells it like it is.

The Rainmaker

Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:28:18 PM

Re: JJSeabrook post# 8005

Post # of 9659


Thought for the day.....Between now and the trial what's left that could hurt VRNG. I come up with nothing. For me the downside/risk here is gone until they possibly lose a jury trial verdict roughly October 26. Best I can tell VRNG is bulletproof for the next two weeks. On the flip side Google could cave and settle before then...Remember the stat was 97% of patent trials don't go to trial. VRNG could fall into the 97% metric anytime between now and October 16.

Next remember how we heard most of these cases get settled on the courthouse steps the day of the trial....So the crowd made a misread expecting Google to settle yesterday....if they were to settle it would be around October 16th.

Stock repriced itself down to the PP pricing which is what infuriated me the day the funding news hit....I knew if I didn't move fast that funding would have clipped me for 100k.....that was not helpful to the Nation of Me Me Me.Plus that funding forced them to use up the ZTE news bringing in buying to counter the PP shares.On the flip side that is the text book right thing to do.......save big news to offset dilution. Well I'm repriced back in properly adjusting for the funding and I'm feeling good here again.

Real/Perceived Risks that have been eliminated:
Summary Judgement throwing out case
Delay of trial pending patent review
Delay o f trial for any other reason
Markman rulings
VRNG runs out of money before the trial
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QTRADERQ

10/14/12 10:06 PM

#9670 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

I agree RAINMAKER...Google could cave and settle around October 16th. Thanks for posting that. And you're right... most of these cases DO GET SETTLED on the courthouse steps the day of the trial.
THANKS FOR YOUR EXCELLENT POST

Thought for the day.....Between now and the trial... what's left that could hurt VRNG. I come up with nothing.

For me the downside/risk here is gone until they possibly lose a jury trial verdict roughly October 26. Best I can tell VRNG is bulletproof for the next two weeks.

On the flip side Google could cave and settle before then...Remember the stat was 97% of patent trials don't go to trial. VRNG could fall into the 97% metric anytime between now and October 16.

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smcbride44

10/15/12 4:15 PM

#9998 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

Where did you locate the 97% stat? If we don't get settlement tomorrow we fall into the slim 3% that do not settle? Quite a statistic if that is in fact true.
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JJSeabrook

10/16/12 4:04 PM

#10314 RE: The Rainmaker #8011

So much for the 97% metric. VRNG joined the 3% club today. LOL

JJ