I guess we will know in November, If those production numbers don't, at least get them near profitability, then I think all hope will be lost. Most will probably move on to the next play. I have that little inkling of hope too though. But I am cautiously optimistic. I have resigned to the fact that this will probably never amount to much, and I will lose the investment I have, but isn't that always the way with the Pinkies? Take the small risk and HOPE for the big payoff, this would certainly be my first if the payoff comes, and my largest block of shares in one company.....