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toogoodfella

08/06/12 4:07 PM

#12208 RE: marayatano #12207

Not exactly all but not all cases are the same..IMO also...Lehman is the most unique case in my opinion. When it comes to s different entity, It is only a change of name. The ownership will be still the same.
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littledevils90210

08/06/12 4:14 PM

#12211 RE: marayatano #12207

"Liquidation labeled as re-organization."

I see it as the other way around. its more like liquidation labeled as reorganization...I know I know...technically its a re-org....but in the re-org it is operating like a liquidation...as always wtf?.....go figure...but not quite yet go figure....because if they really wanted liquidation they would went into chp7. but they chose re--org...why? because IMO I believe they wanted to see how things look after a few years and leave the door open for a reorganization...y'all following this?...

Bottom line is legally its a re-org....go figure....devil
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cottonisking

08/06/12 4:47 PM

#12221 RE: marayatano #12207

Consistent with the intended treatment of the Plan as a plan of liquidation for
federal income tax purposes, the Debtors have sought a ruling from the IRS that no COD should
be incurred by a Debtor as a result of the implementation of the Plan prior to the disposition by
such Debtor of all or substantially all of its assets
(other than to the extent any Allowed Claim’s
distribution is subject to a maximum amount (such as the Convenience Claims and Convenience
Guarantee Claims), or has been or is separately settled for less than its carrying value). In such
case, the reduction of tax attributes resulting from such COD (which, as indicated above, only
occurs as of the end of the tax year in which the COD occurs) generally should not have a
material impact on the Debtors. There can be no assurance that the IRS will issue a favorable
ruling on these matters and thus there can be no assurance that all or a substantial amount of the
COD will not be incurred earlier due to, among other things, a lack of direct authoritative
guidance as to when COD occurs in the context of a liquidating Chapter 11 plan.

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littledevils90210

08/06/12 5:05 PM

#12224 RE: marayatano #12207

"Have you noticed that all the other BKs, there was a reorganized entity that emerged from BK?"


This is actually a very good statement. I actually thought of this a while back ago right after WAMU exited and gave the new co to equity. GM exited with a new co. AIG did not. AIG still had to sell to pay off creditors and uncle sam. I think this could be the same case here. AIG exited still owing, while exiting IPO and gave like 90% of new co to gov. then sold AIA the crown jewel and gave like 75% to gov and kept 25%. then sold other and they are still selling stuff today....but one thing is they want to buy back their MBS from maiden lane 1 and 2. there is value in those...just like there should be value in lehman mbs....i dont know...thoughts?...go figure...devil