You are correct Howard, most of us long time shareholders believed TIV management, who you now call "downright criminals", and thought they really did have a lot of shareholder value building properties, "discoveries", after reading the 100's of highly embellished and misleading PR's, newsletters, etc etc and as it turned out, it was a hyped pile of crap worth nothing. I suspect that's why the SEC jumped in to stop the perpetrators and that's why they are still there rounding them up.
Yes, one thing you can count on with TIV, there will always be the JD types hyping TIV, making excuses for persistent failures and propagating 3rd or 4th party hearsay stories about past employees that are blatantly untrue and then flippin it for pennies (now..but it used to be for dollars) after they suck in unsuspecting newbies.
Geo