Replies to post #5097 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[zigi]

zeev..there is no point
saying anything to you,you are defending your people and that is where it begins and ends.
perhaps benjamin freedman one of your people has to wake people up a little
I suppose we will get benjamin freedman bashing as a consequence

I am out of here
good luck with this poxy little thread and your propaganda
I refuse to be brainwashed
I believe in what I gather from real information provided by real non political sources which have only have one purpose in life
the good of the human kind and protecting its core..which is good ness

adios

[Rick Louden]

The US is still a "young" country, inexperienced in the niceties of "international relations" and international "forked tongue speak". France still has a lot to teach us in this respect, if we were willing to learn...

I normally don't post often and rarely about politics, but Zeev, I'm curious what you think France could teach the United States. My view of France is that they have their head in the sand in terms of economics and politics.

And as long as I'm posting here, I'll weigh in to all those on this thread with my opinions on the Iraq issue. I support Bush but from a different angle than most. I have some experience dealing with locals in that general area of the world. There is not a trace of doubt in my mind that if the world does not enforce past UN resolutions, Saddam and other present and future hostile leaders of countries around the world will view inaction as weakness. Unlike civilized people in the United States and Europe who feel for the weak and want to help them, Saddam and others attack and kill the weak so that they may become stronger.

So, what we consider to be a civilized decision to try to find peace at all costs, is viewed quite differently by Saddam. Now Saddam and others of his type see us as pitiful and weak.....afraid to confront him even though he clearly has not met the obligations he agreed to since 1991. Seeing how weak the world is will effect Saddam's future decisions, N. Korea's, as well as numerous others through-out the world. The future actions of these hostile leaders will be strongly influenced by the outcome of this particular event.

When I worked in Pakistan, I often dealt with wealthy and powerful landowners who controlled their regions. These people looked at the human life of a local laborer or peasant with less respect than we look at the life of a dog or cat. I found their thought process to be similar to that of a typical teenager.......see how much they could get away with until they were told no......try again in case the "no" didn't really mean no........wait a couple months and try again......
What is the outcome if we tell our teenager to be in at 12:00 but we don't do anything if they come in at 3:00AM? What is the outcome if we tell our teenager not to drink but we don't stay up to greet them when they come home at night to check if they have been drinking?

Saddam and others are not unlike the teenager. If we don't enforce our rules, the next offense will be worse, and the next offense after that will be even worse. Just as a good parent must be firm and take on the wrath of our teenagers for a few years, the world must also be firm in the face of Saddam's non-compliance. Fortunately in my view, George Bush has the courage to stand up and be firm in the face of the wrath of so many who don't look beyond today and see that this action is needed so that so many "teenage" nations and their leaders will grow up to be good "adult" nations.

Tom