I do, on part one. I've dumped a lot of pennystock (and S&P 500 for that matter) that was heading down, others I did sell at a profit and looke at them now and then, also spiraled down. Others don't move but sideways. It's the economy. Any company trying to get up and moving has a real struggle right now. Part two, not that long at all. He took over a defunct company that did not have an well-established client list as far as I can tell, and profits were assumed to be in the tank at that time, and we're back to the economy issues again.