Sounds like Rodney Dangerfield, G. Heck nobody ever responds here anymore cause I haven't been around myself. Yep 1 year in the cell biz on the 15th and 13 years in August for the engraving biz (still the bread and butter). Have had to address some liver issues lately from the stupid things I did when I was a kid. Should be ok though Come back more often, I'm trying to be more active these days.