Replies to post #45476 on Tivus, Inc. (TIVU)

[NicPlatoNic]

Here, I think, is what you're not recognizing.

VERT is a "diluter." He's showing 5K because he has a ton of dilutive shares to sell, so he doesn't reveal his actual amount. The default is 5K, so when that's what he's showing, you can bet he has a different/larger amount.

Now when VERT was parked at .0004, there is naturally not going to be any movement up from .0003 because there is no money to be made, i.e. your chance - as a trader - of buying at .0003 and then flipping at .0004 are severely hampered by VERT's presence there at .0004, both because you'll have to get in line behind him most likely, and, again, because of the probable quantity of his 'true' hand.

But that is why it's so important that VERT has moved back. Last time he did so, we ran HARD.

In other words, it wasn't lack of news that kept people from buying before the last run, it was VERT's presence. It was not news that ignited the last run, it was VERT's having moved back, and thus created the possibility for upward movement and trading to occur.

AIMO

[Ghost_Dog]

Some piece of information you might or might not be aware of; Bid and ask sizes can be fake. Market makers can put up walls to scare and manipulate. And yes, i do think someone is paying attention to VERT. Like Nic said before, if VERT is at .0004 on the ask then you can bet he's gonna try to block any potential run past that price. It might not be the best piece of the puzzle, but it is a piece none the less.

[TheHappyVulcan]

Respectful disagreement.

JPR, let me be the first to say I am not an industry pro. That said, I have already seen where the sales volume on a given stock exceeds its daily average by up to six times, but the price does not budge. Within a few weeks of witnessing this, I watched another stock ( a company with no goods or services, no employees, no recent financials, no fulfilled promises) increase its value by 20 times in the span of under ten sessions.

As for MarketMakers, my understanding so far is that they have a number of manipulative tricks they do regularly in an attempt to influence price. There are moves an MM can make where it looks they're at the steering wheel when they're not even in the car. They can actually let (use) another MM to hog the spotlight while they actually pull the strings behind the curtain.

If one is not in a position to literally watch their investment almost minute by minute the way daytraders can, then one must rely on the fact that all smoke and mirrors aside, value drives price in the end. Most 'games' appear to be played for short-term results, but real value-based investing relies on the stability over a good length of time.... at least measured in a number of months.

In the engine room I can manipulate the fields of two warp coils to make Mr. Scott smell a fart before he has farted, but in the end (NPI) I must recalibrate the coils to absolute time or else the number of unexpected outcomes increases exponentially per unit interval until we end up arriving at our destination before we have even gotten to our departure point. It can be a real mess.

Transaparent aluminum ain't nothin'.

SPock out.