Replies to post #1887 on The Free Zone Board

[Spallenzani]

Re: Sassy - Socialism Crumbling

the more I realized that the concept is "every man for themself". That, I do not like. No matter how you put it, that what liberatarism is, hence, the reason so many of us tell you and the party about being selfish. No matter what you say, that is what it boils down to.

But it doesn't. You seem unable to understand the concept that just because we do not support government doing something does not mean that we do not support other groups and organizations doing the same thing.

I can understand your criticism that libertarianism is unrealistic because unless people are forced to help others, they will not. I do not agree with this criticism, but I can accept it. However, you have no basis for accusing us of being selfish for rejecting the use of force. Nothing about libertarianism is anti-charity.

[LibraryCop]

Re: Sassy - Socialism Crumbling

Now go ahead and hone your "cut and paste" skills and rip apart my paragraph.

Glad to oblige, since you make it so easy.

Sassy: But that's the Liberatarian way, isn't it - only if you can afford it yourself.

LC: You don't pay attention well, do you?

I pay attention very well, but thanks for asking.

Really? Then perhaps you might be willing to back up your assessment of "the Libertarian way" by answering some of the questions I seem to have stumped others on this board with. If you think you're up to the challenge, let me know, and I'll repeat them for you. Judging by the difficulty you've had with questions so far, though, I am not encouraged.

About a year ago when I started on these boards, I was inquisitive about liberatarism. I kind of liked the concept "do what ever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone", and asked more about it.

Sadly, there are many like you who don't consider it "hurting" someone to take what belongs to them without their consent.

The more I read, and heard from you, and others, the more I realized that the concept is "every man for themself".

You'd be hard pressed to make the case for this characterization from anything I've posted (or, for that matter, from any of the libertarians who regularly post here or on the PIMB). So, if anything, such a conclusion strongly supports the notion that you DON'T pay attention very well.

No matter how you put it, that what liberatarism is, hence, the reason so many of us tell you and the party about being selfish. No matter what you say, that is what it boils down to.

You know, such statements are a perfect example of what I meant about paying attention. In fact, that "no matter what you say" part really stands out.

I also noticed that, just as I predicted, you were silent with regard to my question "What is 'callous' about believing that it is good for people to be generous, but wrong to force them to?", and that (despite being asked twice now) you haven't specifically affirmed whether anyone ever taught you that stealing is wrong.

And out of curiosity, are you pro-choice? If so, do you consider that to be a "selfish" viewpoint?