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Eltoro43

04/07/12 9:58 AM

#99542 RE: BottomTurn #99541

Fronk, I believe what William says, but there are good reasons to have a consolidation or R/S.

I just read this regarding Sandstrom Gold.

Several readers have asked about "consolidation" in Sandstorm Gold shares - this is not, mind you, the chart-speak kind of "consolidation," which means the stock is moving down, but the actual consolidation of a reverse split. So since Sandstorm Gold (SSL in Canada, SNDXF on the pink sheets) is my largest holding and I know that a large number of Irregulars own and follow the stock, I thought we'd spend our Good FridayFriday File getting an update on Sandstorm.



You can see why they used the term "share consolidation" - the term "reverse split" has terrible connotations, since it's usually used by companies whose share price has dropped under a dollar and which are in danger of being delisted from the stock exchange, or penny stocks hoping to wring a bit more cash from their weary investors by bringing the price up to make it look like the company is still "real."



But that's not the case here - this is the "good" kind of consolidation, they are trying to bring Sandstorm Gold's trading metrics (mostly the share price) in line with the requirements of the major exchanges, which would give them the possibility of uplisting to the main exchange in Toronto (instead of the Venture exchange, where they now trade and where they rub shoulders with teensy, sub-dollar penny stocks) and, perhaps more importantly, getting an AMEX listing in the US. To get those kind of major market listings, they effectively need to have the share price above five dollars.



And though Sandstorm Gold has been growing nicely, and I expect will continue to grow nicely, it's not going to get to five dollars this year unless they consolidate the share count. So they issued a notice yesterday that they'll be asking for shareholder approval to consolidate the shares, giving shareholders one new share for every several old shares that they now own (they say the ratio may be as many as 5:1, but the actual number will be up to the board).

So although that means you've probably (if you follow Sandstorm closely) seen a bit of panic about this from folks who enjoy trading low-priced stocks, or who are worried about the warrants, or who just think "reverse split" or "consolidation" are four-letter words, the actual impact should be nil in a fundamental sense, and potentially quite positive if it raises Sandstorm's profile with a listing in New York. When a company is flailing and trying to survive and avoid being delisted, a reverse split is often a cry for help; when they're succeeding and outgrowing the venture exchange (or the OTC market in the US, or whatever), it's a sign of "growing up" and it can be very positive.



Sandstorm Gold is not a tiny company, and they are big enough for a major market listing if they choose to go for it. The stock has a market cap of about $600 million today, and they are just in the middle of a two-year ramp-up period for most of their key streaming deals that brought earnings of about $12 million last year and will probably enable them to report earnings of more than $30 million this year (assuming a good gold price). That won't change whether the company is divided into 300+ million shares, as it is now, or into 60+ million shares after a 5:1 consolidation - the only thing that would really change is investor perception with the shares perhaps trading for $8.50 per share and earning 50 cents per share instead of trading at $1.70 and earning 10 cents.

Though that's not entirely true: there are also reportedly a fair number of institutional investors that won't invest in stocks on the Venture exchange, or that won't buy shares that are under $5 per share, so to the extent that Sandstorm would get past that benchmark and uplist to "grown up" exchanges that would also increase the potential universe of Sandstorm investors. So yes, I'm all in favor of stocks that I own getting more attention, and growing enough to attract institutional investors.
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malamutus

04/07/12 10:19 AM

#99544 RE: BottomTurn #99541

I may be cynical but have been burnt way too may times with CEO's running these things. There is no accountability to anything they say. The only saving grace would be stating it through a PR; I have also seen the PR thing happen and still they go back on their word. The PR would be written with a loophole of some sort. Who do I believe in this world of money and greed? My parents. That's just me though. Everyone are obviously entitled to their beliefs. You just will not catch me believing anything what these CEO's or anyone else controlling my money state.

With that said, I do not know of anything that Lieberman has done in the past with other companies or this where he has done something opposite what he has stated.

I also do not believe he will RS. I think everyone debating this should look at the only true fact that is staring everyone in the face on this:

He has NO preferred shares. He has 1 billion COMMON shares. He does not want to RS this thing. It would affect him just as much as yourselves. If he had preferred shares I would suggest watch out, but he does not. This is the ONLY thing here that would make me sleep better at night regarding the RS thing being debated here. I do not see it happening if only for this reason. I don't really care what he says, for me it is stated on the last filing. He will not RS for that reason.

Now, if it does get RS'd, it would be because he sees some sort of value in doing it, and he does not believe the price would immediately start to fall like most R/S's do in the pink world.

There is nothing he is doing right now that is making me think this is a typical Pink company. If there is dilution, it is very little going on here, the bare minimum required to keep this company going until the company develops into what he and all you longs envision what this company will be.
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nedski

04/07/12 11:10 AM

#99547 RE: BottomTurn #99541

Yes Fronk, I'm planning on the golden egg. Although you have more confidence in WL than I do, I have went all in many months ago, not being one to put all my eggs in one basket but this play with MMTE is 4x any former or current investment I have ever made. It was a gut feeling and as months went by MMTE has acquired the necessary concessions and things do seem to be slowly coming into play. Happy Easter All.
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joey11

04/07/12 2:36 PM

#99551 RE: BottomTurn #99541

Fronk you also said 8's was the bottom several weeks back when I was saying 5 would come again. Now 4's are dropping last week some 30 plus million. Would you like to revise your bottom. I would I think the bottom will be 2/3 in 2 weeks. I would not put that much faith in William not reverse split the thing. I see it as a must soon! Good luck to all the long mmter's...
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#NeverPennyLand

04/07/12 10:36 PM

#99576 RE: BottomTurn #99541

WL so no a year ago. IMO at that time he thought share price would be higher by now , but it's not. RS is coming
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#NeverPennyLand

04/07/12 10:40 PM

#99577 RE: BottomTurn #99541

He has NOT done everything he said he would do. That is false. Where is the n1? pr'd in June last year that they would be done quickly !! stop making WL out to be the king of lithium. He's running a penny stock if you can even call it that !