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[Ranb2khz]

I was just trying to give some 'food for thought' around the versus 15 and 16 about the visions of 'a wheel within a wheel'...

Well then, that would have certainly eliminated at least 50% of what I typed as a reply :)

I am a Baptist which leads me to the next question..Which RELIGION is the most closest to being the RIGHT religion?

The ones that teach the following doctrines:

• The Bible is the uniquely inspired and inerrant Word of God

• Christian doctrine of the Trinity - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit; and that these three are the one God

• Preexistence and full deity of the Lord Jesus Christ

• Virgin birth of Jesus

• Jesus Christ is the only provision for atonement for sin

• Believer baptism

• Ministry of the Holy Spirit

• Greatest command in scripture is to love God with all our hearts, mind, strength, and soul. Second greatest command is to love others

• All believers are to go into the world and make disciples, baptizing them and teaching them to obey Jesus commands

If Jesus was a Jew, should I be a Jew?

He was also “allegedly” Caucasian – should I be Caucasian to be considered a Christian? Seriously though, I don’t think that was a serious question – right?

btw, God had other sons..although not a begotten son by Mary, a human as we know it..example..

Gen.6
1.[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
2.[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown

You had to pick two of the most debated verses of scripture in the book of Genesis – didn’t you? :)

Many believe that the reference to the “sons of God” were the “fallen” angels. I believe the Bible teaches us that angels are incapable of reproduction because they are spiritual in nature. Jesus stated on several occasions that our resurrected bodies would be like the angels bodies, and incapable of giving into marriage (e.g. Luke 20:34-36, Matthew 22:29-30, Mark 12:24-25).

So, who were these “sons of God” and “daughters of man” who were making marriage and babies together? I believe as presented in the Gill’s Exposition Commentary to be the correct answer. It says:

“That the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair,.... Or "good" (k), not in a moral but natural sense; goodly to look upon, of a beautiful aspect; and they looked upon, and only regarded their external beauty, and lusted after them: those "sons of God" were not angels either good or bad, as many have thought, since they are incorporeal beings, and cannot be affected with fleshly lusts, or marry and be given in marriage, or generate and be generated; nor the sons of judges, magistrates, and great personages, nor they themselves, as the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan, and so Jarchi and Aben Ezra; but this could be no crime in them, to look upon and take in marriage such persons, though they were the daughters of the meaner sort; and supposing they acted a criminal part in looking at them, and lusting after them, and committing fornication with them, and even in marrying irreligious persons; yet this could only be a partial, not an universal corruption, as is after affirmed, though such examples must indeed have great influence upon the populace; but rather this is to be understood of the posterity of Seth, who from the times of Enos, when then began to be called by the name of the Lord, Genesis 4:25 had the title of the sons of God, in distinction from the children of men; these claimed the privilege of divine adoption, and professed to be born of God, and partakers of his grace, and pretended to worship him according to his will, so far as revealed to them, and to fear and serve and glorify him. According to the Arabic writers (l), immediately after the death of Adam the family of Seth was separated from the family of Cain; Seth took his sons and their wives to a high mountain (Hermon), on the top of which Adam was buried, and Cain and all his sons lived in the valley beneath, where Abel was slain; and they on the mountain obtained a name for holiness and purity, and were so near the angels that they could hear their voices and join their hymns with them; and they, their wives and their children, went by the common name of the sons of God: and now these were adjured, by Seth and by succeeding patriarchs, by no means to go down from the mountain and join the Cainites; but notwithstanding in the times of Jared some did go down, it seems; See Gill on Genesis 5:20 and after that others, and at this time it became general; and being taken with the beauty of the daughters of Cain and his posterity, they did as follows:

and they took them wives of all that they chose; not by force, as Aben Ezra and Ben Gersom interpret, for the Cainites being more numerous and powerful than they, it can hardly be thought that the one would attempt it, or the other suffer it; but they intermarried with them, which the Cainites might not be averse unto; they took to them wives as they fancied, which were pleasing to the flesh, without regard to their moral and civil character, and without the advice and consent of their parents, and without consulting God and his will in the matter; or they took women as they pleased, and were to their liking, and committed fornication, to which the Cainites were addicted; for they spent their time in singing and dancing, and in uncleanness, whereby the posterity of Seth or sons of God were allured to come down and join them, and commit fornication with them, as the Arabic writers (m) relate.

(k) Sept, "bonae" Cocceius. (l) Elmacinus, Patricides apud Hottinger. Smegma, l. 1. c. viii. p. 226, 227, 228. (m) Elmacinus, Patricides apud Hottinger. Smegma, l. 1. c. viii. p. 232, 235, 236, 242, 247.”

Also, which BIBLE is the "RIGHT" bible? I lean towards KJV myself.

I do not believe there is a “right” or “wrong” version of the Holy Bible, as long as the original intent is left intact. I know, you are thinking with approximately 11,280 Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words being translated into roughly 6000 English words to form the translated Bible – how can we know what the original intent was – right? That’s why we need to utilize many biblical resources while studying the Word of God. One that has just recently been brought to my attention (and I will be ordering a copy online) is “Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” by W.E. Vine. I currently use multiple translation Bibles on a daily basis in order to get the true message that the Lord is trying to impart upon me, at that particular time.

To be honest with you, I will probably not view any of the videos that you have offered. I have nothing against past history of the world(s), or origins for that matter, but all I need to know about (in my human finite mind) is given to me through the living Word of God, and albeit prophecy and science-fiction have perked my interests in the past – it no longer occupies my time. I believe that we are living in the “end times”, and that the time to reach “lost souls” for Jesus is so short that we need to be spending our every waking moment with the mind-set: one more for Jesus, one more for Jesus, one more for Jesus…

God bless you and yours Dave_007! Thanks for the thought-provoking questions.

[tenac]

Which RELIGION is the most closest to being the RIGHT religion?

As for me i dont like the words religion,denominations, christian. The person that is going to heaven is the person that has ask JESUS for forgiveness of their sin in true repentance and has been filled with the Holy Spirit and they have become a follower of JESUS. Meaning, the old person has died and they are now a new creation in Christ. They live by the spoken word of God as it was spoken by God to man and written in the 66 chapters of the Bible. They dont add to...take away from...change or twist scripture. The word is the word! JESUS is the ONLY way to God and heaven!

If Jesus was a Jew, should I be a Jew?

Dont matter what nationality, color, how good or bad we were. All that matters is that we put our complete trust and faith in JESUS and accept the gift of salvation and follow Him.

which BIBLE is the "RIGHT" bible?

As for me, i use the KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV. They are ALL 4 very good translations and the combination of the 4 help me get a better grip on what God thru the Holy Spirit is trying to get thru my thick head.....SMILE!