So what your saying is that a board member only gets test results if he is physically at the meeting? Ever heard of E-Mail or Fax? Bottom line is that he said that the fuel efficiencies promised or implied to shareholders were never achieved. He said that the FTV failed tests. Torvecs reply acknowledged the FTV failures and mismissed them as normal during initial testing of a new product (which I hope they were). However,they ignored his comments concerning the fuel efficiency failures. Just as you have continued to do. The FTV is all that is left. The company is in turmoil and in danger of imploding. I've been able to connect the dots as to why no American or European company has struck a deal concerning the IVT. It apparently doesn't WORK!