To answer your question, you need to look at what the O/S count was when it was at .02, and now look at the O/S count now which is appox. 2 billion. There has been rapid dilution. The problem isn't really with the concepts, as I believe they are in a great area, but with the total debt of the company, much of which came when it was Ludvik Capital. Ike has to pay the debt and convertible notes, along with financing current start up. If he didn't have as much debt the pps would likely be in a different arena IMHO.