Now that is a good question. I've often wondered about those two for quite some time. Risk, have you talked to or tried to talk with those two? Someone should call them. I keep meaning to call SP but I have a company to run and just answering Scuba takes up most of my day. Would rather spend time answeing him than doing real work. He's such an easy target, but we should get Alan's comments back into the equation. I forget who use to talk to him frequently. Probably Dagg or someone of the old posters we haven't heard from in a while.