they are at low points, but do not look to be profitable anytime soon. I still like NWAU and MFYS much better. Also stumbled across TIRR. 'could' be a nice company considering what they are in and how they are doing it. Oil prices are over $60 right now, so margins will go up nice for Tradestar. Check out the last couple of press releases, and definately check out their website if you have a chance. The price is low and they have nice potential. I bought some to store away. Still do not like as much as MFYS or NWAY though - those two are definately gems.