Replies to post #115140 on Plastic2Oil Inc (PTOI)

[Rawnoc]

The processor "can" handle all plastics as the catalyst captures all impurities of concern. The only reason PVC is restricted is for local reasons that has nothing to do with JBII. PVC will be accepted with a red carpet rollout elsewhere.

[Justice37]

Here's the link to the page with the study conducted by the American Chemistry Council (thanks to StockSpock). JBI have indicated the processor can handle plastics 1-7. John has often reported it can handle #'s 1-7, can you find me a link that says it has never occurred to anyone at JBI or Islechem to not test all types of plastic and that such testing has never occurred.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=63057165

Here's what I know about the plastic JBI have tested. PET or plastic #1 would not normally be recycled as it has more value for regular plastic recyclers than it would as fuel and can be sold by JBI for profit. However, batches of PET are easily contaminated and ruined and JBI can and would process these but they have to do a simple pre-processing of the plastic to remove the oxygen which when put through pyrolysis turns into carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide (just like gasoline does when burned). The two elements are converted into acids that have value but to be honest I don't know their names.

PVC also has to be pre-processed to remove the hydrochloric acid which also has value on it's own. Confirmed 100% that is what JBI has done with those types of plastic when tested. Note that John mentioned acids being removed at the AGM. It also needs to be noted that PET or PVC, if it happens to get into the reactor without processing is dealt with by the catalyst and filters and would cause no damage to the processor and would not contaminate the fuel. It just means that there would be a greater percentage of waste during that particular run period.

I also want to point out that the permit indicates plastic that have been determined to be acceptable "include" it doesn't say limited to. The only plastic type they have said JBI can't use for commercial operations is PVC and that has everything to do with Love Canal and nothing to do with the capabilities of the processor. Any company producing plastic to fuel in New York State will be limited in regards to PVC.

However, given the language of the permit lets agree to disagree on what JBI are allowed to use and agree that for their purposes, the three types of plastic, PP, HDPE, and LDPE are the most valued plastics in regards to conversion rates to fuel as they are all very high in hydrocarbons. So even if the processor was limited to these three types, there are a lot of manufactures and a lot of plastic available. Here's a detailed look at the plastics available.

PP

Polypropylene (PP), also known as polypropene, is a thermoplastic polymer used in a wide variety of applications including packaging, textiles (e.g. ropes, thermal underwear and carpets), stationery, plastic parts and reusable containers of various types, laboratory equipment, loudspeakers, automotive components, and polymer banknotes. In 2007, the global market for polypropylene had a volume of 45.1 million tons, which led to a turnover of about 65 billion US-dollars

PP (recycling #5) is used for most plastic hinges (e.g., tic tac lids), some RF capacitors, stronger piping systems (water), items for medical and laboratory use, speakers, consumer grade kettles, dishwasher safe containers, most plastic tubs for dairy products (margarine, chip dip, yogurt), some bottles, and clothing.

Rugged, translucent, reusable plastic containers made in a wide variety of shapes and sizes for consumers from various companies such as Rubbermaid and Sterilite are commonly made of polypropylene, although the lids are often made of somewhat more flexible LDPE so they can snap on to the container to close it.

Plastic pails, car batteries, wastebaskets, cooler containers, dishes and pitchers are often made of polypropylene or HDPE…

Clear bags and packaging, and “When polypropylene is biaxially oriented, it becomes crystal clear and serves as an excellent packaging material for artistic and retail products.”

Widely used in carpets, rugs, mats, ropes, insulation in electrical cables, and the waterproofing top layer in single ply roofing systems, commonly used for plastic mouldings such as bottle tops, bottles, and fittings.

Used in the production of stationary folders, packaging, storage boxes, and as a cover for papers and other items. Used in light shades and designs that use interlocking sections to create designs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polypropylene

HDPE

High-density polyethylene (HDPE) or polyethylene high-density (PEHD) is a polyethylene thermoplastic made from petroleum… HDPE is commonly recycled, and has the number "2" as its recycling symbol. In 2007, the global HDPE market reached a volume of more than 30 million tons.

HDPE is resistant to many different solvents and has a wide variety of applications, including:
· Arena Board (puck board)
· Telecom Ducts
· Containers
· Laundry detergent bottles
· Milk jugs
· Fuel tanks for vehicles
· Watering cans
· Plastic lumber
· Folding tables
· Folding chairs
· Storage sheds
· Portable basketball system bases
· Plastic bags
· Chemical-resistant piping systems
· Heat-resistant fireworks display mortars
· Geothermal heat transfer piping systems
· Natural gas distribution pipe systems
· Water pipes, for domestic water supply
· Coax cable inner insulators (dielectric insulating spacer)
· Root barrier
· Tyvek
· Snowboard rails and boxes
· Bottles, suitable for use as refillable bottles
· Modern hula hoops
· Ballistic plates
· Bottle Caps
Milk bottles and other hollow goods manufactured through blow molding are the most important application area for HDPE - More than 8 million tons, or nearly one third of worldwide production, was applied here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-density_polyethylene

LDPE

Low-density polyethylene (LDPE) is a thermoplastic made from petroleum. LDPE is commonly recycled and has the number "4" as its recycling symbol. In 2009 the worldwide LDPE market reached a volume of 22.2 billion US-Dollars (15.9 billion Euro).

LDPE is widely used for manufacturing various containers, dispensing bottles, wash bottles, tubing, plastic bags for computer components, and various molded laboratory equipment. Its most common use is in plastic bags. Other products made from it include:
· Trays and general purpose containers
· Food storage and laboratory containers
· Corrosion-resistant work surfaces
· Parts that need to be wieldable and machinable
· Parts that require flexibility, for which it serves very well
· Very soft and pliable parts
· Six pack rings
· Juice and milk cartons, whose "cardboard" is actually liquid packaging board, a laminate of paperboard and LDPE (as the water-proof inner and outer layer), and often with of a layer of aluminium foil (thus becoming aseptic packaging).
· Parts of computer hardware, such as hard disk drives, screen cards, and optical disc drives
· Playground slides
· Plastic wraps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-density_polyethylene