dabonenose... Lately I've overlayed the full sto (7,3,3) on the PPO (8,17,9) and waited for them to cross at a minimum. It seems to confirm the pinch when the MACD and ADX are pinching too. If it has good volume you can wait for the TRIX and DI to turn up before buying. DEXO and CBLI were some good examples. Just my two cents :)