u, rich and mattyhoho, i hope u know what ur talking about, i sent chris winters a detailed message, i will post it with all the questions i asked if he ever replies to my email, and the people at the transfer agents offer are rude, the guy however told me he expects a fed ex package soon from the company, prolly with the certificates, he got real nasty on the phone cause i was asking questions, which most would appreciate me doing, i guess i add something to the board, even if its digging for treasure