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deathtotaxes

04/30/05 10:55 AM

#10444 RE: Bobwins #10443

Bobwins - Psychology is the issue: Americans expect that the price of gas/oil will remain low because gas in the car is freedom to travel and do as you please. They don't want it taken away by higher prices. The same with certain foods like milk...

Companies and employers add the cost of fuel as a surcharge - a seperate line item on many services. The thought being that it will be a temporary situation. Psychology!!!

The ending of the Robert Redford movie Three Days of the Condor captured the sentiment exactly. If anyone has not seen it, go rent it.

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gilead23

04/30/05 11:53 AM

#10447 RE: Bobwins #10443

"Ok, here's something that struck me while reading the article. Somehow money diverted to gasoline purchases is considered a hidden tax that reduces other consumer spending. Why is an appreciating price for energy different than consumers spending the money on any other consumable?"

I don't think the aggregate effect of increased prices in the US centered portion of that production is a drain it just shifts who is spending the money in the US.

It seems pretty clear though that if we are paying more for oil from overseas that there is less money to spend on any other good or service. The money spent on foreign oil is no longer available for US consumers to spend on stuff made in the US.
That has to be a drain to some extent.

I don't buy the idea though that 2.00 gas will destroy the economy as some might suggest. Adjusted for inflation our current prices are not all that high unless you are comparing to prices in the 90's. The US economy has grown nicely in the past with similar oil/gas prices.
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tmcal6

04/30/05 12:19 PM

#10450 RE: Bobwins #10443

OT-Bobwins

I agree with you on the price of oil. What about the $300 pair of "designer" jeans that women and men, rich and poor, seem not able to live without. I still buy my $20 jeans at Costco. Two larger problems than the price of oil are Medicare and Health Care costs and excess compensation of management in U.S. corporations. Don't get me started.
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Argyll

04/30/05 3:09 PM

#10461 RE: Bobwins #10443

Bobwins

Because it's America's god given right to have cheap gas and drive SUVS, that's why!

Higher gas prices are an attack on America. You're either with us or against us!

Unless you are Halliburton! Then you can do what you please as long as it makes Dick Cheney and buddies money! You can even overcharge the American Army for cheap gas.
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Argyll

04/30/05 3:14 PM

#10462 RE: Bobwins #10443

Bobwins, aren't the price increases going almost purely to profits? The expenses of the oil companies are not higher, they're just getting more for the oil because of demand. Most of the majors have declining production and escalating profits.

They don't need to charge what they do. They charge what they can. Demand exceeds supply...you get higher prices..and it's like a, er, hidden tax, because they're charging so much more than needed to make obscene profits.

Energy Tycoon Pickens Predicts $3 Gasoline Within Year

Tulsa World April 28, 2005

Apr. 28--Energy tycoon Boone Pickens is known for making bold
predictions about the price of oil and gas.

He's been right most of the time.

Pickens' latest prediction, though, may leave motorists a bit bug-eyed.

World oil production has peaked, and Oklahomas will be paying $3 a
gallon for gasoline within a year, Pickens said Wednesday.

"We're getting ready to come upon some very serious energy problems
for the world," he said.

Global oil output has peaked at about 84 million barrels a day, never
to rise again, said Pickens, who spoke to the Rotary Club of Tulsa.

The problem is that world oil demand has been projected to rise to 87
million barrels a day this year.

"You can't get 87 out of 84. Something has to happen," Pickens
said. "Demand has to come down, or supply must go up. I'm convinced
that supply cannot go up."

Demand, he said, has overtaken the world's available supply of crude.

"If I'm right, the only way you can keep the price down is to
oversupply the market."

Oil production in Saudi Arabia and Russia, the world's largest oil
producers, has probably peaked. What's more, some of the oil Saudi
Arabia is pumping into the market is low quality and useless to
refiners, Pickens said.

Other large oil-producing countries are unstable, increasing the risk
of a major supply disruption, he said.

Oil output from Nigeria is regularly interrupted because of strikes
by oil-field workers. And Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez wants to
sever all business ties with the United States, Pickens said.

As a result, oil, the feedstock for gasoline, may never again fall
below $50 a barrel, he said.

"You'll see $3 gasoline in Oklahoma, I would say, within a year's
time," he said.

The climb to $3-a-gallon gasoline may have already started in Tulsa.

Late Tuesday, many Tulsa retailers raised the price of regular-grade
gas 12 cents to $2.15 a gallon. Some gas stations were charging $2.17
a gallon. By late Wednesday, prices were seen going down to $2.13.

Some people found the sharp jump in local pump prices puzzling
because prices for oil and wholesale gasoline have been falling.

"We're not seeing price increases in Oklahoma City nor any other
major city around the country," AAA-Oklahoma spokesman Chuck Mai said
in an interview. "This seems to be isolated in the Tulsa market.

"I don't know of anything happening in the industry that would
justify a jump of this nature."

The price of oil is down 7 percent this week. Oil closed Wednesday at
$51.61 a barrel, down $2.59 on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The average wholesale price for regular-grade gasoline sold in the
Tulsa area has dropped to $1.978 a gallon. That's 17 cents lower than
the dominant retail price in Tulsa.

Mai said $2.15-a-gallon gasoline in Tulsa is not sustainable and that
prices likely will come down from that level pretty quickly.

The world consumes about 30 billion barrels of oil a year. But the
number of large oil discoveries has plunged, despite improvements in
oil exploration and production, Pickens said.

"We have not had a 1 billion-barrel oil field in the world in the
last five years, and we're extracting 30 billion barrels a year out
of reserves," Pickens said. "That does not fit."

The Energy Information Administration, the statistical arm of the
Department of Energy, projects that worldwide oil demand will rise to
121 million barrels a day by 2025.

Pickens said the United States should stop using natural gas for
power generation and begin using it as a transportation fuel.

"Natural gas is a great transportation fuel," he said. "It burns 86
percent cleaner than gasoline and 94 percent cleaner than diesel."

The switch, he said, would take about 10 years.

America should focus more on the use of coal and nuclear power to
generate electricity, he said.

Pickens predicted that natural gas prices will rise to $10 per
thousand cubic feet this summer if hot temperatures persist in the
Northeast and Southeast. More gas would be needed during a hot summer
because additional power would be required to keep homes and
businesses cool.

Pickens came to prominence in the 1980s by raiding companies such as
Gulf, Phillips and Unocal. The Texas oilman now oversees Dallas-based
BP Capital, a successful energy hedge fund.