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Danduedil67

03/10/11 2:10 PM

#23022 RE: tiesto #23021

Bravo Sir

Best post on this board (or any other) in months !

-Dan
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bUrRpPPP!

03/10/11 2:19 PM

#23023 RE: tiesto #23021

LONGS? ..Do be fooled...i can see who claims to be long that has sold and just keeps posting subtle negatives....
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saltvine_00

03/10/11 2:30 PM

#23025 RE: tiesto #23021

Good post. We definitely are in wait mode, I wouldn't necessarily say its 'fear mongering' but more people wasting energy on discussions that don't really go anywhere.

Now what I do find funny is even the risk level some are taking on this stock. Why would someone pay $8 for a sept $15 put. Ignoring the time value, this stock would have to be below $7 to make any profit. Shorts seem to be looking for this to go to $0 which is crazy. Even if there was something wrong there would probably be still some value in the business.
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jwangatusa

03/10/11 2:32 PM

#23027 RE: tiesto #23021

I thought there are 3 choices

A) No issue in 10K, great year, great future. Short claims too good to be true, and audit be cheated, all the signed document is from CEo's friends, long claims victory, depends on what market goes to belive, but there will be more longs than short

B) No issue in 10K, somewhat expected or so so year, somewhat expected or so so future. Maybe great number, just not as long expected. Still same as A), there will be somewhat in between

C) some issue found, short claims its fraud, long get somehow discourage. more short than long.

JMHO.

C) is very unlikely, it has been this long into the audit process, if there are some issues, it must be bury very well, based on short, the company really not very consistence in the middle management layer or below. Plus, repeat screen shot taken for the buses, and none claims the company is not there, just it should not have its number. Yet so many area has be checked and rechecked.

B) is kind of unknown. But if it is signed with no problem, and the company is in the rapid growth, people will not realize it is not a great number. More likely is the number is not as people expected since China is growing, people may have very high expectation, but after so many short attack, the expectation actually will be very low here. If you notice, nobody actually talk about what will be the expected EPS here, and what is the likely future EPS growth. People just talk when the short will take another action, and if we can get squeeze on them. Not quite sure we are talking about a value stock or growth stock. More like an all-in stock :)

Which left only A, I believe there will be a lot of people stand at sideline waiting to jump in at this moment. Don't know what price they will do that though.
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chensiona

03/10/11 2:54 PM

#23036 RE: tiesto #23021

Yeah its pretty funny. Last week no news was bullish because it meant there were no problems with the audit and everything was good, this week on the other hand people are starting to break and have doubts. The real problem we face is that we still have to get through Friday and hope people can keep their sanity, lol.

All joking aside though, CCME has always released news on Monday's premarket. Only one time did they do otherwise so I am somewhat confident that we will get something on Monday. I'd like to see on Monday that earnings and 10K will be released on Wednesday. Lets see if it happens.
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martych

03/10/11 2:55 PM

#23037 RE: tiesto #23021

Good summary but since we need to discuss something rather than snipe at each other let's look at A in a little more detail:

CCME FMCN
current price $12.42 $28.90
Mkt cap $458m $3,863m
Ent value $288m $3,271m (no debt so mkt cap less cash)
EV per sh $7.81 $24.47
EV/Earnings mult fwd 2.8x 18.5x
sec grwth (analyst) 22.5% 20.0%
EV PEG ratio 0.124 0.925

FMCN/CCME valuation multiple 7.43x

Fwd estimate above: FMCN estimated based upon guidance
CCME uses consensus of $2.93 per sh for C11
My model fcst c11 $3.53
Earnings fcst multiple 20%
Adj'd valuation multiple (7.43*120%) 8.96x
rounding 9x

Note above does not factor in:
1) dividend for CCME (FMCN none)
2) FMCN has substantial intangibles being amortized. EBITDA valuation metrics would close the gap a little.

Conclusion: FMCN is reasonably valued with GAAP earnings multiple at just under their growth rate. CCME should see their fwd multiple growth by a factor of 8-9x to "catch up" with FMCN. That would put their EV per share at around $62.50 or about $68 per share with cash added back. And again that ignores cash dividend and much upside not in my fcst (ie SWITOW). It also ignores market dynamics where the pendulum usually swings too far in each direction. Today it's irrationally undervalued.......

Shorts no need to respond because tiesto already provided the two options and this is only looking at option A and is really just playing with numbers.
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swampdonkey

03/10/11 4:31 PM

#23073 RE: tiesto #23021

hear hear