VBgood thank you - btw. this board is for APE - let's try to keep it that way - well, I have been in the Ag for a long time - and talked about it a lot more when the Ag was down to the bottom - it was very hard for the children miners of Cerro Rico - to survive and help their families - to get the daily bread and water - and that why I tried to help them to get more attention to their hard life etc. - e.g., http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=5406http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=5406 I was trading silver future contracts many years before internet windows was started by Bill Gates and the grand fathers of IT - I downloaded every tick to three computers from Bonneville Transmissions satelite - from every commodity exchange and stock exchange in US and Canada etc. to that the IT was running good :-) it has been my pleasure for the last >30 years :-) God Bless