thanks dimension, I have got to put some time reading this board again. Our company was taken over last year, and I have been hopping all over. No time for the things I like. Glad to see turkey smoker is back around. We had been worried when he disappeared so quick. Occam still sharp LOL. I need Crimb posting here about his options again! LOL Good guessing to ya. Ketel One straight up to all. (damn those martinis)