Paula..EXCELLENT point.. I forgot to mention that my industry is/was in a double whammy due to the drought....yes, it added to the sales impact...and some orders were even cacelled due to drought or watering restrictions...i thinkn its 60-70% recession, 30 percent drouhgt....ad of course my numbers are true operating earnings, not being a cisco, i cant write off 5 billion for dead plants as a "one time" charge!!!! lol