No disrespect taken Asegal I have plenty of freebies riding in spec stocks right now but I thank you for being concerned enough to let me know there are books out there on investing. I would have thought an informed trader like yourself would not hang out in a 'place' like this. I am comfortable with my position here and I just wish I could convince you to put a buck or two in, I would love for cctc to 'spread the wealth' even to the non-believers