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frosen

05/23/10 11:09 PM

#130784 RE: Dennisb68 #130783

Not reading your post ,its too long.
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just_an_ant

05/23/10 11:21 PM

#130786 RE: Dennisb68 #130783

So getting product into more stores and more folks aware of your product is bad for sales? And ultimately profits...and ultimately shareholder value.

Umm..okay
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lightbeam

05/23/10 11:32 PM

#130789 RE: Dennisb68 #130783

Again you really do not get it and show lack of business 101. IMO Here is another memo I am sure you will not read or believe but is relevant to growth of this company.
FROM ERIC
A friend of mine wrote to Eric this morning and received an answewr within two hours. Here it is with my friends permission. I am assuming Erics consent and hope that is Ok.

Hello Mr. XXXXXX,

Thank you for various observations and suggestions. The following is a point-form summary of our findings to-date:

• We are interested in larger displays in stores, and do seek permission from stores to provide them. These include rolling carts, counter cards, signs and banners to name a few. It usually takes time to be granted such additional exposure. We therefore see the existing box as the “thin edge of the wedge” in the process. Even the box takes us a step forward because not all products are allowed to be sold in their original box.

• Although you may feel on a “gut level” that the words stain remover are associated only with laundry, we have become quite familiar with the market and find that consumer perception of the words “stain remover” is more general than that.

• The fact that the product is “sitting alone out of place” is actually an accomplishment, rather than being crowded in amongst others. The easiest place to be lost is in the crowd.

• We have seen that Paint Department personnel eventually become familiar with Winning Colours Stain Remover and begin recommending it. The advantage to us of the Paint Department as a “home” for Winning Colours Stain Remover in stores is the opportunity to be recommended by staff. Over the long term, this is the equivalent of having thousands of part-time sales people. It is of tremendous help to a product within that store to be recommended by a member of staff.

• The reason that we do not create specific labels for the many areas in which Winning Colours Stain Remover can be used is twofold: The first is an ethical matter. We do not want to pretend that the consumer has to buy 5 bottles of (the same) liquid to solve 5 problems when one bottle will do. I realize of course that it might seem like a smart business move to sell 5 times as many bottles, but it is a fundamentally dishonest premise (and would ultimately fail) because the consumer would be spending 5 times more than they need to. WD-40, the famous spray lubricant accepted this principle as well and has gone on to be one of the most recognized brands in US households. WD-40 is a multi-purpose product concept, although in the area of lubrication. The second reason is practical – managing 5 times the SKU variations (or more) greatly increases costs and personnel requirements. It means that the company would need to maintain much higher inventory levels, manage the streams of brand issues that are specific to each iteration, create more websites for the specific product niches, etc. Our goal is to become the “go to” product when people have drips, drops and disasters of various kinds in their homes or at work, in other words – one thousand cleaning uses in one convenient solution. The unique dual personality of Winning Colours to be used full strength or diluted will also become better known over time as a terrific quality.

The bottom line is that Winning Colours Stain Remover has barely been “born” yet in the USA. We have not even scratched the surface of public awareness because we are so new. The Direct Response Television Advertising (DRTV) 2-minute infomercials which will be on air in the 2nd quarter of 2010 will accelerate the process. The growth in store counts also reveals increasing penetration of the brand. The day will come that the name “Winning Colours Stain Remover” will be widely known, the product liked very much and will describe a favourite for millions of consumers.

Thank you for your interest in these issues and that fact that you became a member of the Winning Brands shareholder family.

Cheers,

Eric Lehner, CEO
WinningBrands.com

Jan 15, 2010-01-15
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Beevo

05/24/10 12:49 AM

#130794 RE: Dennisb68 #130783

The people that are buying WC are either buying it on line or driving several miles across town or even to another town to get it. So what happens if it's at a major retailer and easily availabe? For one the internet sales will drop dramatically and the people that were getting it at a paint store across town or a convenience store will now be getting it at the major retailer so sales will also tumble at the paint and convenience.



I'll just stick with this comment out of your post to show how little sense it makes....

The "people" you speak of buying it on-line and driving across town already know of our product. if they are driving accross town to get it, then they must like it. How many people that have bought at these locations bought it becuase they saw it on the counter or the paint guy/gal recommended it...

The people the drtv will target have never heard of out product and don't know where it is.

The drtv's goal is to gain brand recognition. have people buy via phone, web, and current sales locations. The beauty of brand awareness is that it does many things...

so grab a pen and take some notes...

Drive sales at current locations. Many people shop at these stores and not at lowes/hd etc... Many ace hardwares i drive by are pretty busy. So a customer is buying some paint and spots a bottle of WC. "hope"fully their brain will pick up that they saw the drtv and they might need it to clean paint stains. they purchase.

Add new stores. retail outlets will sometimes want to carry a product that is on national tv. call it crazy i know. These stores add it of they think they can sale it.

Just becuase you add a big retailer does not = a drop in other stores sales. Not everyone shops there. If you increase your sales base AND more people become aware of it good things can happen.

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Beevo

05/24/10 12:57 AM

#130795 RE: Dennisb68 #130783

If the average person in this country drank an average of 1 pint of mild a day do you think if you doubled the number of places you could buy milk do you think total milk consumption in the US is going to go up and now we are going to be drinking 1 1/2 pints a day?



the answer is no to this.

EVERYONE has heard of milk. Not like your going to have someone say, "Boy, I really want to try some of this milk stuff"


Here is a scenario that might help you understand

"Hey dennis, you ever heard of this milk stuff?"

Dennis:"nope, any good?"

"yeah its awesome, you can pour it on cereal, dip cookies in it, put chocalate and stir it up. It comes from cows."

Dennis: "wow, wish they sold it near me. Maybe i'll drive accross town to get me a bottle"

Do you see how bad your comment is?

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solarflux2

05/24/10 1:00 AM

#130796 RE: Dennisb68 #130783

Let me see if I can follow your logic here.

Your saying that neither being in a major retailer or initiating a DRTV will increase the sales? Because, if Winning Colors is in a major retailer, it's going to pull sales away from the DRTV, and also from stores where the product is already sold? So basically, your talking about over-saturating the market. You think a thousand U.S. retailers is over-saturating the market? Roughly 0.00005 stores per every person in the U.S. so if they increase the number of retailers it's not going to increase sales at all because the market is already over-saturated with winning colors, when virtually no one in the U.S. has heard of it yet?

I'm having trouble trying to follow the logic here...
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User-65225

05/24/10 2:15 AM

#130803 RE: Dennisb68 #130783

One minute you are trying to convince us that they dont sell anything at the stores they have, then the next post you are claiming the DRTV and/or a national account wont help cause it will cut into their current retail sales?! LOL!

Well, I guess every consumer product company is doomed to fail then! What a shame

PS: tick tock... Got your tickets yet?!