Replies to post #63902 on Health Sciences Group Inc (HESG)

[KennyPro]

I think those are funds!! Not private investors.......

[ICEQUITY]

Target price for HESG is $2.51, but that's just my opinion the price that is most cost prohibitive to the Market Makers.

Put all things related to HESG to the side. HESG has always been Off the Topic here. I want to discuss the technical facts of the trade of any trade, that relates to short interest and the manipulation that takes place.

No Margin CALL for Shorts Unless $2.50 PPS is met, 2.5M for every $100 shorted at .0001

700M shorted at .0002 = $140,000.00
140k /100 = 1,400 x 2.5M = HESG Margin Call 3.5 Billion @$2.50

Now back to your regularly schedule off the topic inquiries.

A Few Hundred HESG Institutional Investors, No sorry. Is this that what you are thinking? HESG had only 19 shareholders?

http://www.mffais.com/mffais-history-118234-hesg.ob

19 owners of a 20 billion share company? Wasn't it a few hundred owners not long ago?

But these number can be wrong and there might be 19 shareholders left in HESG

HESG|Short 763,703,064|Volume 1,321,101,443|as of Nov. 3, 2009

Float(shares)
600,000,000 as of Mar 9, 2009
*
Number of Shareholders of Record
187 as of Dec 8, 2008

If the float doubled by November, maybe there would be some way to rationalize this. 700M shorts with 600M to 1.2B Float would still equal over 50% with the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: ck1 Member Level Date: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:45:41 PM
In reply to: rs99 who wrote msg# 32892 Post # of 32897
it will run and real soon i think.

Mutual funds also have flippers who also take advantage of tax deductions at the end of the year. I really don't think the $68.73, is going to matter... will it? Why

$.19
old Some-384- 1.24 % 2009-12-30 0.0005

$45.88
0.0005 Sold Al l -5,030 -100 % 2009-12-30 0.0005

$5.74
0.0005 Sold All -11,480 -100 % 2010-01-07

$8.61
0.0003 Sold All -28,730 -100 % 2010-02-25

$.02,,,,bought in 2004 for $.67 Per Share $14.74
0.0001 Sold All -22-100 % 2010-03-02

$8.29
0.0002 Sold All- 41,470 -100 % 2010-03-04

Grand Total $ 68.73 sold
86,732

2010-03-01 2009-12-31 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 30,516
Sold Some -384 -1.24 % - - - - % History of Wisdomtree Trust - Wisdomtree Emerging Markets Smallcap Dividend Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2009-12-09 2009-09-30 N-CSRS
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 30,900
Added More 11,610 60.18 % - - - - % History of Wisdomtree Trust - Wisdomtree Emerging Markets Smallcap Dividend Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2009-08-31 2009-06-30 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 19,290
New Holding 19,290 100 % - - - - % History of Wisdomtree Trust - Wisdomtree Emerging Markets Smallcap Dividend Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

Returned 3 Transactions!

2010-03-04 2009-12-31 N-CSR
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 0
Sold All -41,470 -100 % - - - - % History of Eq Advisors Trust - Eqtcw Equity Portfolio Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2009-11-27 2009-09-30 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 41,470
New Holding 41,470 100 % - - - - % History of Eq Advisors Trust - Eqtcw Equity Portfolio Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc
Returned 2 Transactions!

2010-02-25 2009-12-31 N-CSRS
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 0
Sold All -28,730 -100 % - - - - %
History of Van Kampen Series Fund Inc - Van Kampen Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2009-11-27 2009-09-30 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 28,730
New Holding 28,730 100 % - - - - %
History of Van Kampen Series Fund Inc - Van Kampen Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc
Returned 2 Transactions!


2009-12-30 2009-10-31 N-CSR
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 0
Sold All -5,030 -100 % - - - - % History of Eaton Vance Mutual Funds Trust - Eaton Vance Structured Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2008-06-23 2008-04-30 N-CSRS
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 5,030
No Change 0 0 % - - - - % History of Eaton Vance Mutual Funds Trust - Eaton Vance Structured Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2008-03-28 2008-01-31 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 5,030
No Change 0 0 % - - - - % History of Eaton Vance Mutual Funds Trust - Eaton Vance Structured Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2007-12-28 2007-10-31 N-CSR
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 5,030
Added More 900 21.79 % - - - - % History of Eaton Vance Mutual Funds Trust - Eaton Vance Structured Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2007-09-28 2007-07-31 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 4,130
Added More 3,120 308.91 % - - - - % History of Eaton Vance Mutual Funds Trust - Eaton Vance Structured Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2007-06-25 2007-04-30 N-CSRS
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 1,010
Added More 580 134.88 % - - - - % History of Eaton Vance Mutual Funds Trust - Eaton Vance Structured Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2007-03-30 2007-01-31 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 430
No Change 0 0 % - - - - % History of Eaton Vance Mutual Funds Trust - Eaton Vance Structured Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2007-01-03 2006-10-31 N-CSR
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 430
New Holding 430 100 % - - - - % History of Eaton Vance Mutual Funds Trust - Eaton Vance Structured Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

Returned 8 Transactions!


2010-01-07 2009-10-31 N-CSR
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 0
Sold All -11,480 -100 % - - - - % History of Old Westbury Funds Inc - International Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2009-09-28 2009-07-31 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 11,480 New Holding 11,480 100 % - - - - % History of Old Westbury Funds Inc - International Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc



Returned 2 Transactions!

2010-02-25 2009-12-31 N-CSRS
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 0
Sold All -28,730 -100 % - - - - % History of Van Kampen Series Fund Inc - Van Kampen Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of
Health Sciences Group Inc

2009-11-27 2009-09-30 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 28,730 New Holding 28,730 100 % - - - - % History of Van Kampen Series Fund Inc - Van Kampen Emerging Markets Fund Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

Returned 2 Transactions!

.67x 22 Bought HESG in 2004 for $.67 Per Share $14.74
History of Legg Mason Global Trust Inc - Legg Mason Emerging Markets Trust ownership of Health Sciences Group Inc HESG
2010-03-02 2009-12-31 N-CSR

Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 0
Sold All -22 -100 %- % History of Legg Mason Global Trust Inc -
Legg Mason Emerging Markets Trust Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

2004-11-24 2004-09-30 N-Q
Health Sciences Group Inc HESG.OB US Vitamins And Nutrition Prod 22 No Compare - - % - - - - % History of Legg Mason Global Trust Inc - Legg Mason Emerging Markets Trust Ownership Of Health Sciences Group Inc

Please must we go through this foolishness,


Legit Questions, Who Can Short HESG?

No Margin CALL for Shorts Unless $2.50 PPS is met, 2.5M for every $100 shorted at .0001

Ameritrade and Scottrade I believe have no shorting under $5 limit.

I found this that might help

Anyone can short pennies...but for the average trader, the cost is "prohibitive"- the margin requirements.

For example at the broker that I use, you have to have $2.50 margin per share to short a stock under $2.50. So if you short 1000 shares of a stock at $2, you have to have $2,500 in your account ($2.50 x 1000).

If you want to short 1million shares of a stock at .0001, you have to have $2.5mllion in your account, and 1million shares at .0001 is only $100.

So it wouldn't make sense to do. The bright side is that if you do short something down there, you won't get a margin call unless it exceed $2.50, which isn't very likely for a .0001 stock.

But again, you'd never short $100 worth of a penny stock if you had $2.5 mil in your account. Or would you? Knight Capital would know

Market Makers borrow shares from Brokerages, then short the stock. Is it legal? Roger O.Rinney seems to think so.

Rodger O. Riney (60), Director of the Company, has served on the Board of the Company since the Company's initial public offering and, before that, as an advisory board member of Roundtable since March 1995. He is the President... +more
Organization Position Status

Scottrade, Inc. Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer Current
Knight Trading Group, Inc. President Current
Knight Trading Group, Inc. Board of Directors Current
Edward Jones General Partner Former

I don't agree with it either, thats why I started the Ihub Finra Board, Educational. Nothing Is Ever Off Topic

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