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otraque

11/18/04 1:32 AM

#12538 RE: CoalTrain #12536

<<Democracy does not work without organized non violent civil disobedience IMO.>. I want to stress from hard experience non-violent civil disobedience ABSOLUTELY demands, i say DEMANDS Disobedience.
Any who have a notion that a placid well be behaved peace march within the the pre-determined march lines of the authorities is in tradition of C.D. i must state WRONG! as it is NOT Civil Disobedience.
While Non-Violent as in without weapons, it does take physicalness, physical action, that can be greatly MISUNDERSTOOD as violence.
This is why i blew my gasket over people thinking having 500K people at republican convention on a pre-agreed date to march meekly along an authority described path was in accordance with the traditions of non-violent Civil Disobedience.
I will put this out right now, i dislike Tom Hayden, i have ALWAYS disliked Tom Hayden and state BLUNTLY the DEATH of the protest movement commenced when Tom Hayden, from the point this 2-bit politician took control of the protest movement and KILLED it!!!.
I promise you the total futility and waste of time of the peace march in NYC was BECAUSE Tom Hayden was still in the planners seat.
I give kudos and homage to the near 2,000 the got arrested for being "disobedient", and can safely bet they had no connection with tom Hayden.
I recommend that Tom Hayden be denounced and kicked out of all activist groups.
I can say NO MORE.

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Chris McConnel

11/18/04 1:47 AM

#12541 RE: CoalTrain #12536


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11/18/04 5:55 AM

#12548 RE: CoalTrain #12536

imho, the problem goes deeper. of course they want to get reelected, but will you change something by sending letters directly to your senators trashcan? no way.

it's how I see it. the mental state of most americans never advanced to a state that should be required when a nation becomes a superpower. many in the US share the religious believe their ancestors had when they left europe hundreds of years ago just to name one problem. apparently that believe only survived in the US en masse. "elect kerry so god will" and "pray for him"? C'mon that is sad, very sad.
Oh, and that goes for any political site.

ready to be alienated.