poor management by all of them. i bot morgan stanley at 7 and change. they were headed for the toliet. mack went to bush and got him to make sec institute the no shorting financials. paulson came up with the list, that excluded wamu that was being shorted as bad as morgan stanley. i bot ms at 7 to 9, and in a couple weeks with the no short law in place, got a triple. it's not what you know, it's who you know. they all were managed poorly, some more than others. still, no reason to do what sheila baby did...and ots. even jamie admits that. they will pay the piper. and im there to collect