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itswhatido

01/12/10 2:54 AM

#54525 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

HEY EQUITY,,, DO ME A FAVOR,LET MM'S KNOW IT DOESNT MATTER HOW THEY POST ARE BUYS,,,IT WONT STOP US FROM GOING AT THEM WITH EVERY NICKLE AND DIME WE CAN DROP..THEY WILL CRUMBLE UNDER THE
WEIGHT HESG SHAREHOLDERS WILL FORCE UPON THEM... i heart hesg
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Im In

01/12/10 3:16 AM

#54527 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

I have experienced trades with other securities that I tried to sell for .0004 (at the bid) but they sold them to me at .00045 then posted it at .0005 so it looked like a buy at the ask. Very crafty.
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pray

01/12/10 8:18 AM

#54541 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

ICEQUITY If Buying Is Recorded As Selling....

Why has not HESG or fund authorities done anything about this? If this is the case I would have filed a suit against those involved and had a statement immediately. In this case it looks like HESG knows it, is allowing it and in essence promotes it? Why
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Turbo67

01/12/10 8:35 AM

#54547 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

Awesome post Bro.....You are the shizznig brudda!
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WWB

01/12/10 9:29 AM

#54562 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

Any transaction that takes place at less than the ask price will be automatically classified as a Sell...theory is that the ask price is the lowest price anybody is willing to sell their shares at so if the transaction occurs at a price less than that it is because somebody wanted to "sell" their shares rather than wait for the ask price to be met. Most trading systems do not display the 5th decimal so the trades get posted rounded down (in other words dropping the 5th decimal).

Is it manipulation? Hell yes...the MMs can transact all day at the 5th decimal and this is how they make their market at a level the retail trader can't play at.
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mwab52

01/12/10 10:01 AM

#54594 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

ICE....Great Job

That is a great document,and you cant hide from a painted picture that tells whats been going on with (hesg)...i need more shares....go (hesg)
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rogus

01/12/10 4:42 PM

#54892 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

ICE can you give me the link to where you posted this on the internet. Alot of people seem to know you did but can't provide a link. Would really appreciate it. Thanx
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Surgie

01/12/10 5:16 PM

#54912 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

GOOD JOB Devil Dog!!

so be that as it may, what is there to do about it? :(
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mwab52

01/12/10 9:44 PM

#54981 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

ICE

i notice (nite) down also,looks like something going on in houes over there...go (hesg
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mwab52

01/12/10 10:32 PM

#54992 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

That document you post looks great.I think the vol today for buys helped (hesg).Because of the big blocks they started running at eod.I think in 2min 40M + sells went threw.At one point when news came out from NJ 5K buy's started rolling in like craze.In groups like 30K,15K,20K.You get the picture..I think those were musked block buy's they did'nt want us to see.Lot of eye's are this board now,and some ppl here just dont no.Which is great.Because it's a good thing for (hesg'ers).Man the why (MM)are making moves on this stock is unreal.Just think what could be going on other boards.I no alot of ppl are looking in here and taking notes. Man (MM) must be real desperate.Because why would you expose yourself like that? Some PPL on this board really believe (hesg'ers) are selling.And the (CEO) is still doing his dilution thing.I think some ppl are seting here trying to set up (SS) as bad if anything comes out over 5B.But i think must (hesg'ers) dont really care because of the potentail of this stock.So i think it's time to let (Hesg'ers) no dont take the bait.Because these ppl want in cheap and dont want to spend that $1.75..hahaha!to get in.Or somebody is going to bed at nite wishing they should have let this stock do it's thing.PPL are hitting this unwanted stock 24/7..unreal..This is great..Still learning..O YEH! milttonic said my formatting is getting better....go (hesg)
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ICEQUITY

01/15/10 10:04 AM

#56162 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

$HESG gets help from Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC with Suggestions To Improve Rule 612 -Penny Rule Compliance in which case the price may not extend beyond four decimal places.

VIOLATION OF RULE 612 , Regulation SHO
By the BROKER/ DEALERS & MARKET MAKERS of..... Health Sciences Group, Inc.

HESG BUYS are being listed as SELLS. We marked $HESG shares with 420 additional shares to buys to prove the manipulation. These are examples of the type of manipulation that happens everyday. This ordered was set to limit buy for 1420 HESG shares at market open on 01/11/10. It was a limit buy at .0005 purchase was executed at .00049...... but displayed as a sell @.0004 instead of a buy. $READ POST #54524 HESG 420

In which case violates SEC rule 612 by the price extending beyond four decimal places.

There are many others that this happen too, $HESG Shareholders please attach your comments to this link with your evidence to support the truth.

$HESG Broker/Dealers & Market Makers NON COMPLIANCE TO SEC RULES & REGULATIONS.
Rule 612 Multiple Violations Regarding (Minimum Pricing Increment)


http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=45382780

What is Regulation SHO? NON COMPLIANCE OF REGULATION SHO
BY HESG BROKER/ DEALERS & MARKET MAKERS
 
Short sale locate has been in effect for years under NASD and NYSE rules, but compliance has been uneven. In fact, NYSE started bringing actions against firms just before SHO was released, and decided to wait until the Regulation was released.
 
Reg SHO is in effect right now and is a warning that locates will be a subject to a much greater enforcement next year. (1/3/05)
 
Most suppliers today have Service Level Agreements (SLAs) with their counterparties (customers) to perform “the locate” on their behalf either internally or with a pre-defined list of approved brokers.

The regulation requires that prior to entering a short sale order, a firm must have reasonable grounds to believe that the security can be borrowed. Further, this determination must be documented and identify the source of the loan/custody. Therefore, the Yes/No tag for locates is no longer sufficient. Institutions sending their short sale orders to brokers will need to include locate information as part of the order. There are two ways to accomplish this: either by including a locate reference number (which would identify both the broker and include a method of tracing the underlying loan) or by simply designating the broker lending the securities.
 
Absent receiving locate broker information from its clients, a broker will be required to perform “a locate” on short sells itself, even where the institution has already obtained a borrow from another prime broker. If a security is "hard to borrow", then these orders will either be rejected by the broker (even though the institution has made arrangements to borrow the security) or will force the broker to borrow the security which might result in additional charges for the institution. Clearly, this becomes an issue for the institution.

 Scope of Sub-Penny Rule Compliance
VIOLATION OF RULES BY HESG BROKER/ DEALERS & MARKET MAKERS
 
According to the SEC filing: "New Rule 612 prohibits an exchange, association, vendor, ATS, or broker-dealer from accepting, ranking, or displaying an order, quotation, or indication of interest in an NMS stock priced in a sub-penny increment (except for an order, quotation, or indication of interest priced less than $1.00 per share, in which case the price may not extend beyond four decimal places)."
[url]http://cannabis-invest.googlegroups.com/web/HESG-ShortSale-2.mov?gda=k-GrgkcAAAAOQrVQ6rRuQ6kf9E_ooqO0ZDN2YPcdSUzNL3Y-qLOTv1xaNR1s5Ecs36FC1C9vhWPyacT06kUyFh0DQX4xxwuJeV4duv6pDMGhhhZdjQlNAw&gsc=AcNgnRYAAAAeizyki7wJ9nSponIU-e69GoGK_5p_OafYrMU8tWhKsg
[/url][tag]HESG Manipulation Video Clip[/tag]

$HESG BROKER/DEALER VIOLATIONS
NON COMPLIANCE OF NEW RULE 612

What Does Breaking Rule 612 -PRICE MAY NOT EXTEND BEYOND FOUR DECIMAL PLACES

GAINS FOR MARKET MAKERS WITH PRICES EXTEND ONE DIGIT .00001

Estimated Market Cap
$880,000
as of Jan 14, 2010

Outstanding Shares/ Outstanding shares increases due to an increase in "float" Shares
2,200,000,000
as of Mar 9, 2009
x.0001 = $220,000
x.00001= $22,000 $200,000 Price Difference By 1 DIGIT On 2.2 Billion Shares

Authorized Share/ Are restricted shares held by the insiders, plus the "float"

5,000,000,000
as of Mar 9, 2009
x.0001 =$500,000
x.00001= $50,000- $450,000 Price Difference By 1 DIGIT On 5. Billion Shares

Float(shares) / The shares owned by the public represent the "float."

600,000,000
as of Mar 9, 2009
x.0001 = $60,000
x.00001 = $6000-$54,000 Price Difference By 1 DIGIT On 600 Million Shares

Manipulation of One Digit in Price... Can cost share holders a pretty penny.
What is the difference in price if you bought all the shares of HESG traded available to the public?

For example a one digit change in the float in March 2009, can equal to $6000@.00001 vs $60,000@.0001 to purchase all the shares traded by the public.

HIGHLIGHTS TO VIOLATIONS OF HESG SHAREHOLDERS
Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC Makes Suggestions To Improve Rule 612


"Sell short to fill a customer market or marketable limit buy order at a price lower than by a sub-penny increment in order to provide price improvement."broker-dealer may convert the price to U.S. dollars, rounding appropriately (down in the case of an order to buy, and up in the case of an order to sell) to an allowable price increment. Price may not extend beyond four decimal places, is not allowable price increment If the broker-dealer employs a vendor or facility manager to provide its order handling capabilities, then the vendor or facility manager must follow the requirements of the Rule, or the broker-dealer will not be in compliance all short sales effected pursuant to the exemption must be marked as "short exempt" in accordance with Rule 200(g) of Regulation SHO.
Division of Market Regulation:?Responses to Frequently Asked Questions Concerning Rule 612 (Minimum Pricing Increment) of Regulation NMS

Responses to these frequently asked questions were prepared by and represent the views of the staff of the Division of Market Regulation ("Staff"). They are not rules, regulations, or statements of the Securities and Exchange Commission ("Commission"). Further, the Commission has neither approved nor disapproved these interpretive answers.

For Further Information Contact: Michael Gaw, Assistant Director, at (202) 551-5602, Division of Market Regulation, Securities and Exchange Commission, 100 F Street, NE, Washington, DC 20549-6628.

I. Introduction
On April 6, 2005, the Commission adopted Regulation NMS, a series of initiatives designed to modernize and strengthen the national market system for equity securities. Regulation NMS was published in Securities Exchange Act Release No. 51808 (Jun. 9, 2005), 70 FR 37496 (Jun. 29, 2005) ("NMS Release"). One part of Regulation NMS is Rule 612 ("the Rule"), which specifies minimum pricing increments for NMS stocks. In general, the Rule prohibits market participants from displaying, ranking, or accepting quotations, orders, or indications of interest in any NMS stock priced in an increment smaller than $0.01 if the quotation, order, or indication of interest is priced equal to or greater than $1.00 per share. If the quotation, order, or indication of interest is priced less than $1.00 per share, the $minimum pricing increment is $0.0001. The Commission has extended the initial compliance date for the Rule from August 29, 2005 until January 31, 2006 in Securities Exchange Act Release No. 52196 (Aug. 2, 2005), 70 FR 45529 (Aug. 8, 2005).
An exemption from Rule 10a-1's tick test permits registered market makers and exchange specialists publishing two-sided quotes in a security to sell short to facilitate customer market and marketable limit buy orders at the consolidated national best offer (NBO), regardless of the last trade price.

See Letter re: Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC (February 9, 2001).) Can such a registered market maker or exchange specialist sell short to fill a customer market or marketable limit buy order at a price lower than the NBO by a sub-penny increment in order to provide price improvement? For example, can a registered market maker or exchange specialist execute a short sale at $0.129 (providing price improvement) to facilitate a customer market or marketable limit buy order if the NBO is $0.13?

The exemption provides relief from Rule 10a-1's tick test to permit registered market makers and exchange specialists publishing two-sided quotes in a security to sell short to facilitate customer market and marketable limit orders at the consolidated national best offer, regardless of the last trade price. If the NBO is $0.13, as in the example above, then the registered market maker or exchange specialist may execute a short sale to fill a customer market or marketable limit buy order at $0.129 or any other increment within a sub-penny below the NBO, regardless of the last sale price reported pursuant to an effective transaction reporting plan, and still be considered within the exemption. This exemption continues to be strictly limited to registered market makers and exchange specialists in instances where they are providing liquidity in response to customer market and marketable limit buy orders. In addition, all short sales effected pursuant to the exemption must be marked as "short exempt" in accordance with Rule 200(g) of Regulation SHO.

If a customer gives an order in an NMS stock to a broker-dealer that is not explicitly priced in an impermissible sub-penny increment but involves instructions or information intended to permit the broker-dealer to determine an explicit price, may the broker-dealer accept the order and determine the appropriate explicit price, rounding if necessary to a permissible increment?
Answer: Yes. The Rule does not prohibit a broker-dealer from performing calculations to obtain the price of a customer order that is not explicitly priced in an impermissible sub-penny increment when received. For example, if an order is originally priced in a foreign currency, a broker-dealer may convert the price to U.S. dollars, rounding appropriately (down in the case of an order to buy, and up in the case of an order to sell) to an allowable price increment. Other examples would include an order with a price dependent on the price of another security, an order priced at the previous day's closing price, or an order with a specified percentage variation from the current price of the security (e.g., a "stop price" set at 10% above or below the current price). In each case a broker-dealer would be permitted to determine the actual explicit price for the order, rounding appropriately.

If a broker-dealer uses a service bureau or other vendor to provide order handling services on its behalf, does the vendor have to provide the same capabilities to reject or round orders that the broker-dealer would have to provide for itself, or can it rely on the market centers to reject and/or round orders not permitted under the Rule?

The obligation to comply with the Rule lies with the broker-dealer. If the broker-dealer employs a vendor or facility manager to provide its order handling capabilities, then the vendor or facility manager must follow the requirements of the Rule, or the broker-dealer will not be in compliance.

An exemption from Rule 10a-1's tick test permits registered market makers and exchange specialists publishing two-sided quotes in a security to sell short to facilitate customer market and marketable limit buy orders at the consolidated national best offer (NBO), regardless of the last trade price. (See Letter re: Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC (February 9, 2001).) Can such a registered market maker or exchange specialist sell short to fill a customer market or marketable limit buy order at a price lower than the NBO by a sub-penny increment in order to provide price improvement? For example, can a registered market maker or exchange specialist execute a short sale at $0.129 (providing price improvement) to facilitate a customer market or marketable limit buy order if the NBO is $0.13?

The exemption provides relief from Rule 10a-1's tick test to permit registered market makers and exchange specialists publishing two-sided quotes in a security to sell short to facilitate customer market and marketable limit orders at the consolidated national best offer, regardless of the last trade price. If the NBO is $0.13, as in the example above, then the registered market maker or exchange specialist may execute a short sale to fill a customer market or marketable limit buy order at $0.129 or any other increment within a sub-penny below the NBO, regardless of the last sale price reported pursuant to an effective transaction reporting plan, and still be considered within the exemption. This exemption continues to be strictly limited to registered market makers and exchange specialists in instances where they are providing liquidity in response to customer market and marketable limit buy orders. In addition, all short sales effected pursuant to the exemption must be marked as "short exempt" in accordance with Rule 200(g) of Regulation SHO.

$SEC Center for Complaints and Enforcement Tips
Through this page you can file a complaint or provide us with tips on potential securities law violations. We welcome hearing from you because your information may alert us to a bad broker or firm, an unfair practice in the securities industry that needs to be changed, or the latest fraud.

If you do not want to communicate electronically, either print and fill out a form or write us a letter. Our address is: $SEC Complaint Center, 100 F Street NE, Washington, D.C. 20549-0213. You can also send a fax to 703-813-6965.



All of these Market Makers traded $HESG volume in 2009,
As of November these were the current figures, December they fail to even list YTD traded $HESG Volume. Accumulated YTD volume missing and unaccounted for in Monthly OTCBB report .

3,141,022,322
SHARES FROM $ETMM YTD NOT REPORTED
1,282,495,369
SHARES FROM $AUTO YTD NOT REPORTED
75,940,000
SHARES FROM $ARCA YTD NOT REPORTED
77,642,730
SHARES FROM $VFIN YTD NOT REPORTED
20,514,501
SHARES FROM $FANC YTD NOT REPORTED
18,600,000
SHARES FROM $MERQ YTD NOT REPORTED

HESG PHANTOM SHARES ARE GONE FISHING
$DEC. 2009 HESG SHARE VOLUME DATA REPORT
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/tradeact_mv.asp?SearchBy=issue&Issue=hesg&SortBy=volume&Month=12-1-2009&IMAGE1.x=17&IMAGE1.y=6

$NOV. 2009 HESG SHARE VOLUME DATA REPORT
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/tradeact_mv.asp?SearchBy=issue&Issue=hesg&SortBy=volume&Month=11-1-2009&IMAGE1.x=17&IMAGE1.y=6

Truth & Transparency Will Prevail
† h i n k f i s h


Many of the HESG Shareholders are to thank for all of this collective information. They continue to fight the good fight, when nobody else will. http://stockschitchat.com

http://www.sec.gov/divisions/marketreg/subpenny612faq.htm#q1
http://www.fixprotocol.org/pages/3225/What%20is%20Regulation%20SHO.htm
http://www.fixprotocol.org/pages/3196/Scope%20of%20Sub%20Penny%20Rule%20Compliance.htm
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rogus

01/19/10 7:35 PM

#57602 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

Hi. I work as a consultant to Attorney Essman.

Attorney Essman sent me copy of your email on HESG and it was already on our radar.

But I didnt understand the buy/sell thing you were talking about. Would you be kind enough to explain how a buy pushes the stock down and how you can list buys as sells?

Thanks


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John E. Lux
1497 Main Street #363
Dunedin, Florida 34698
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Nebuchadnezzar

07/28/11 10:45 AM

#85336 RE: ICEQUITY #54524

anything new ICE? I have been diligently going back and forth with Ihub Admins to get all trades to show at all proper values, my biggest contention with IHUB TRADES is in regards to 5th digit sells (buys at market from MM's) not being properly displayed here. In terms of buys being painted as sells, much harder to pinpoint. I know for a fact, especially with other stocks that I have had buys painted as sells. any buy at the bid will be painted as a sell. if the stock is $.0010 on the bid and $.0012 on the ask and you buy or sell at $.0011, you get a ? volume at least on here.

anyways, HESG continues to "trade"

-Neb