DMcD% thank your for the thoughtful conversation I can understand things a bit better when you explained it that way and I can then talk about well yes you seem to be correct as they, the ir firm, may not have restricted shares, or they may have a contract that they may not be able to sell untill the share price is at such a level or that they can not sell for a time frame regadless of share price or their shares they can sell are dependant on services provided. I think all these things are of interest to me and would be nice to discuss and or present to the board. Thank you for your thoughtful return comment and I appreciate your glass being half full I like that in a person it takes the edges off my half empty notation of which it seems to me that you see us as diabolically opposed even though we are in teh same stock