Ok JTF....I know you know a lot of inside information....everyone here knows that, and for you to suggest they have ST/LT financing approval is a joke. I to know some things of what is going on "inside" the mill and I can assure you that NONE of that financing is in place as of today......PERIOD. Just like last year....It's always right around the corner....but it never happens. And as of 08/14/09.....it has NOT happened.