i agree... many smart guys on this board. many were trading, but some were long. i wouldn't trust jared with my petty cash. this i don't understand. my first vision of jared was con artist. maybe i'm a pessimist, but i saw a used car salesman. although i was very familiar with carnes and kisler. the finacials were laughable. hopefully, many got out before the crash. not trying to make anyone lose money other than jared and his cohorts. not trying to save anyone at this point.