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arnold

12/19/08 12:50 PM

#13333 RE: Frazdog #13332

Frazdog.This is what I know about it.
The emissions test results came from Cyclone. They may have been run on an incomplete assisted engine. Raytheon has not said a word and posters on I-hub have not been able to find anyone at Raytheon who new about Cyclone.
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Piecemaker

12/19/08 12:58 PM

#13334 RE: Frazdog #13332

Frazz, you bring up a good point:

"I would figure that the engineers would have went wheels up as soon as they spotted that the engine did not work"

Key word: Engineers. Those are people who actually UNDERSTAND what another Engineer is doing. They speak the language.

Yes, Cyclone would be a scam if an engineering firm had no backing from other engineers.

In this case they do. Here's a small list of Engineer's who have reviewed, understand, and approve of what they have seen.
They don't need to see it prepackaged, with a neat little bow on it.

Take a look at these credentials.

Board of Advisors
The Company, from time to time, adds members to its Board of Advisors. These individuals are comprised of distinguished scientists, engineers and businessmen whose experience, knowledge and counsel help in the development of the Company and its technology. Currently, the Board of Advisors is comprised of:

Robert F. Bourque, Ph.D., P.E., a senior engineering safety officer from Los Alamos National Laboratory. Dr. Bourque has served at Los Alamos National Laboratory since 1998 in the critical positions of Pressure Safety Officer, Explosives Safety Officer and Aviation Safety Officer, responsible for overseeing pressure safety for the entire Laboratory. Prior to this, Dr. Bourque worked for 25 years at General Atomics, one of the world’s foremost nuclear research and development companies and government contractors. At General Atomics, Dr. Bourque served as Lead Engineer for Superconducting Accelerator Engineering, and the ITER Cryostat and Cryogenic Thermal Shield Design, and as a Principal Engineer for the Fusion Group.

Dr. Bourque’s expertise ranges over many aspects of mechanical engineering, thermodynamics and heat transfer, pressurized systems, external combustion engines, cryogenic and vacuum systems, integrated engineering analysis, nuclear fusion and fission reactors, alternate energy systems, superconducting linear accelerators, and nuclear weapon effects. He holds a Ph.D. in mechanical and aerospace engineering, an M.S. in mechanical engineering, and has over 40 technical publications and four U.S. patents to his name, including one for an external combustion engine with combustion air preheating.

James D. Crank, a retired engineer with Lockheed and one of the foremost experts on automotive steam engine systems. During his long year career with Lockheed, Mr. Crank worked in senior research positions on many important projects, including: engine development for the Ground Vehicles Department, primary battery systems for the Triton II missile, battery systems for the Hubbell Space Telescope, heat shields for the Mercury and Apollo space systems, and dynamic solar and nuclear space power systems for SDI. Mr. Crank was also a Research Engineer for the Stanford Research Institute where he worked on explosive cladding of materials for cylinder construction in Porsche and Mercedes-Benz, among other projects.

Mr. Crank also has over 50 years experience in restoration, repair and driving of various steam cars, including the total redesign of the complete Doble crankcase assembly and cylinders for the Series E Doble steam cars (with 10 sets constructed), and the design and construction of the current speed world record holding steam car. He served as a consultant on steam car restoration to Harrah Automobile Collection, Nethercutt Collection, Jay Leno Collection, Stephen Finn Collection, and the Besler General Motors Chevelle steam car, among others; and a consultant to the State of California on the steam bus development program. He is the owner and president of Doble Steam Motors Corporation, and is currently working on a book about the history of the Doble steam car and its founding family.

Jerry A. Peoples, a retired NASA engineer with over 30 years service in the government’s most elite scientific divisions. Mr. Peoples’ work with NASA spans over 30 years. Most recently, after the 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster, Mr. Peoples was assigned to the Solid Motor Redesign Team, where he made major contributions to the design, fabrication and testing of the Double O-ring Interference Joint, which solved the O-ring burn problem.

Mr. Peoples’ work at NASA also included participation on a governmental energy task force studying solar heating and cooling, ocean thermal electric energy conversion, and the Rankine Cycle as an alternative to the internal combustion engine. On this last subject, he published over 12 research papers on the design and operation of the modern steam powered automobile.

Early in his career, Mr. Peoples served at the Marshall Space Flight Center as project engineer responsible for thermal control systems for orbiting spacecraft such as the Hubble Telescope, HEAO-1, and Gravity Probe B. Prior to that, he worked at the Wright Patterson Air Development Center on the F-105 aircraft.

Robert Edwards is a retired senior engineer from Lockheed Martin. Mr. Edwards served at Lockheed Martin for over 30 years, working on different projects including the Apollo Moon Project and other space programs. His area of expertise is in energy conversion systems, including thermoelectric, steam, internal combustion and external combustion engines. Mr. Edwards has also spent over 20 years working with experimental steam cars and other steam systems, and is an officer of the Mobile Steam Society in Tennessee. He has published over 40 scientific papers and now gives talks on the subjects of alternative fuels and heat transfer systems. He holds a B.S. from the University of Tennessee.

George Nutz is technology consultant with almost 50 years experience working with external combustion and steam engines. He is the founder of Millennium Engineering Systems and Millennium Energy Systems, through which he has provided engineering guidance and expertise to multiple external combustion engine projects over the last twenty years.

Prior to consulting, Mr. Nutz was a staff research engineer at MIT Instrumentation Laboratory, part of the Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics. While in residence, he designed hardware and control systems, as well as steam cycles and applications. He represented MIT-IL at the Department of Transportation Clean Air / External Combustion hearings, and wrote several proposal papers outlining a working steam system. During this time he also became involved with steam automobile and steamboat groups and worked on boiler and engine designs/modifications, including being part of the MIT team designing and building a steam powered automobile for Saab for the MIT-Caltech "Clean Air Car Race".

Prior to his time at MIT, Mr. Nutz spent nine years at Bendix Aerospace designing gyro and guidance equipment and test platforms, and working with optics and sensors. He served in the U.S. Air Force and received his mechanical engineering degree from the New Jersey Institute of Technology in 1959.
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Piecemaker

12/19/08 1:42 PM

#13341 RE: Frazdog #13332

The language of engineering is akin to the language of music.

It is arcane and exclusionary, open only to those willing to learn and perhaps, the naturally facile. Once a member of that club, one can understand things the unenlightened cannot.

Had Beethoven written a 10th symphony, and he showed you the score, would you have been able to "hear" the music? Not unless you were a musician yourself. However, other musicians and patrons of music would have studied the score and "heard" it in their heads. Beethoven would have played a few passages on the piano to illustrate a more unusual passage. Hummed a few bars to clarify a finer point. His patrons would judge the value of the piece based on their own musical sensibilities and the known track record of the composer himself. Then they would decide whether or not it needed to be performed. In other words, was it something that had brought "fully" into this world. Not an inexpensive proposition, given the salaries of good musicians, good concert halls, and one's social status to consider.

If you will, Harry and Company have composed new music. Similar to existing music, but very different at the same time. They have shown the score to many other musicians, played snippets for several patrons, they have brought their music before those who can fairly judge it because they KNOW music. This takes time and money.

It would be a waste of time and money to show the score to anyone who can't read music, or is unwilling to learn the basics, or is only convinced that it even exists until he hears it played by a full orchestra.

It has been asked: Why is this stock trading so low? One reason is that has not been fully "performed" yet. The average investor cannot buy the CD yet. When the CD CAN be bought, however, you can be sure the average Joe will not be able to get it for 20 cents!

This is a speculative stock for those who "can read the music".

You can either learn to read the music, or trust the judgment those musicians who have proven to be more talented than you.

As for me? I've had a few music lessons, but to be sure of what I thought I was "hearing", I went to Florida to ask the composer to play a snippet or two, and hum a few bars. I like what I am hearing. I understand it better. My mind can "hear" it fully amplified and I look forward to hearing the music played by great orchestras. So much so, in fact, that I bought myself a ticket while they are still on sale. Front row!!