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DeepBlue1

10/27/08 11:36 PM

#24052 RE: starboy #24051

Well, the RSI still has some more it could give up. The chart looks like one of the many road-kill pinksheets I've had the displeasure to come across 'oer oh these many years.

No signs of life in that chart that I can see.

As for not wanting to give up any money "earned" to those less fortunate...I never saw the logic or merit in those making $250k-/$100 Billion in "passive income"(ie dividends or capital gains "earned" by sitting on their butts in a golf cart) taxed at a lower rate than their gardener and secretary have to pay in income/payroll taxes.

"Redistibution of wealth" goes both ways and has been done through the tax structure from day one. And it's gone from the worker class to the wealthy through the tax structure for long enough.
"Socialism" isn't only when the money goes down. Thats just a one-sided and convenient construct of the right wing and wealthy.

Besides...give a multi millionaire a tax cut and it doesn't automatically go into some "productive investment". Shorting stocks through a hedge fund isn't productive and adding it to big pile of money already held that's so big it can never all be spent isn't either.

Give it to a middle class person and it'll go back into the economy very quickly which will support that fat cat's business allowing him to hire more workers. And maybe "Joe Middleclass" would like to start a plumbing business. He could use a little extra to help him get his entrpreneurial idea off the ground. Heck, he might even hire somebody to help him.

We're all sick of getting "trickled down" on. It rarely seems to show up at all and when it does it smells more like ransid piss than anything else.

:)




McGRANDPA's choice of Palin for VP was irresponsible, dangerous and an insult to Americans. By that choice and his continuing evil he's proving he'll do anything to win this election even to the point of endangering his own country. DEFEAT HIM!
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DeepBlue1

10/28/08 9:12 AM

#24053 RE: starboy #24051

Sounds to me like the USD foundations are beginning to crack. Not crumbling yet, but the cracks are undeniable and are sure to widen with every little quake.

CURRENCIES
Dollar mixed as equities rise

By William L. Watts, MarketWatch
Last update: 8:01 a.m. EDT Oct. 28, 2008LONDON (MarketWatch) - The U.S. dollar was mixed against major counterparts, notching gains against a broadly weaker yen but losing ground against the recently battered euro as safe-haven flows eased.
Equity markets rebounded sharply in Asia Tuesday. See full story.
Europe also moved to reclaim some lost ground following Monday's rout. See Europe Markets.
"The rise of more than 6% [by] Japanese equities helped to weaken the yen," wrote Marcus Hettinger, currency strategist at Credit Suisse in Zurich, in a research note.
However, the major topics driving foreign exchange action in recent days, including de-leveraging and flight-to-quality flows "are likely to continue in comings days which is why we see continued upside" for the yen, Swiss franc and U.S. dollar, he said.
The dollar index (DXY:US Dollar Index Future - Spot Price
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DXY 87.05, +0.12, +0.1%) , a measure of the greenback against a trade-weighted basket of six currencies, traded at 87.245, up from 87.185 in North American trade late Monday.
The dollar rose to 94.48 yen in recent action, up from 92.57. The yen hit a 13-year high against the dollar at one point Friday and posted gains Monday despite a weekend warning from Group of Seven finance ministers and central bankers against "excessive" yen volatility. See full story.
Subsequent remarks by French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde on Monday, however, put a damper on the potential for coordinated intervention. In a television interview, Lagarde indicated there was little appetite for a coordinated move, but said the G7 would back efforts by Japan to arrest the yen's rise.
"What at first sight appeared to be a signal that the monetary authorities were prepared to take multilateral action to dampen volatility in the currency markets, now looks rather more like a signal that the Japanese will have to go it alone in attempting to stymie further yen strength," wrote currency strategists at Bank of New York Mellon. "No doubt the markets will be taking careful note."
The yen has rallied sharply in recent months, boosted by unwinding of once-popular carry trades and causing pain for Japanese exporters.
The euro rose to $1.2501 against the dollar, up from $1.2452 late Monday. The single currency notched a new two-and-half-year low against the dollar below $1.2400 in Asian trade before rebounding.
Worries about the exposure of euro-zone banks to troubled Central and Eastern European economies is likely to continue casting a cloud over the euro, Hettinger said.
"Euro sentiment was already very negative and recent developments certainly didn't change that," wrote strategists at KBC Bank in Brussels. "On the other hand, the euro had a battering and dropped already from $1.60 to below $1.24, in a span of only three months, a breathtaking pace"
The British pound rose to $1.5713 against the dollar from $1.5518 late Monday. The currency tumbled sharply last week after economic data continued to point to a potentially deep recession. The euro had traded near the $2 level as recently as August.
The Confederation of British Industry's monthly distributive trades survey on Tuesday showed sales volumes at U.K. retailers remained weak but held up better than expected in October.
Fifty percent of retailers said that sales volume in the first half of October was below the level seen in the same period last year, while 23% said it was up, for a balance of -27.
The balance was unchanged from September. The index was expected to weaken to around -35, according to a survey of economists.
Meanwhile, the Bank of England's twice-yearly financial stability report held out hope that recent moves to steady the British and world banking systems would bear fruit. But the report warned that significant threats to stability remained. See full story.





McGRANDPA's choice of Palin for VP was irresponsible, dangerous and an insult to Americans. By that choice and his continuing evil he's proving he'll do anything to win this election even to the point of endangering his own country. DEFEAT HIM!
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DeepBlue1

10/29/08 1:52 PM

#24055 RE: starboy #24051

RIGHT WING HYPOCRITES...

I have a plan for all the right wingers out there who insist on buying into this idiotic smear against Obama by McBushie and the Bride of Hitler calling him a Socialist and any other childish name they can think of in the next week.

When you fools get your tax cut/refund/rebate that Obama's gonna' give you, I want you to start a great big fund for all those poor little super rich folks who are giving up a part of the tax break THEY GOT under moron boy bush.

Then you can donate all that money you get that Obama gives you back to this fund so the rich folks to split up and get some of their precious back.

Let them decide if they want to take a big piss and let it trickle back down on you. ROTFLMFAO

And if all the idiotic rightwingers out there who get a tax refund from Obama don't send it back to the POOR LITTLE RICH GUYS FUND then they're nothing more than SOCIALIST HYPOCRITES.





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DeepBlue1

11/01/08 5:51 AM

#24063 RE: starboy #24051

From the Goldbugs board...disturbing and very possibly an accurate portrayal of coming events.

Posted by: OldPro Date: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:47:34 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 8558

Reality Dawning...For Gold
October 30, 2008

Despite the fact that the governments of the G-7 nations have injected some $3.5 trillion into their financial systems to prevent a meltdown of the world’s financial system, stock markets are still reeling. With some stocks down by over 60 percent, many investors already have been through a disastrous erosion of wealth. The declines have not occurred in just a few days as they did in 1929. Rather, Government interventions, regulatory changes and bailouts have drawn out the fall in prices over a long enough time period to make it feel like a slow water torture.

Nonetheless, the reality is that there has been a dramatic fall in the price of stocks, precipitated by a massive sub-prime induced deleveraging and the opening salvos of a credit crunch that will likely be with us for some time. After years of misplaced optimism, market participants are now coming to grips with some rather unpleasant recessionary prospects. So, despite government rescue measures around the world, markets continue to sputter.

Worse still, as America is perceived as the engine of the fading economic order, the looming recession appears increasingly to be both worldwide and potentially severe. Indeed, it looks likely that, if badly handled, the recession could easily slip into a depression, based on a far more highly leveraged base than in the 1930’s.

Therefore, the sad conclusion of the current stock market crash is that it appears to be anticipating an economic crash, just as bad as that of the 1930’s.

For a moment at least, attention is focused increasingly on economic recession and diverted from the risk of financial panic. Temporarily, this is reducing the upward pressure on the price of gold. At the same time, recessionary influences are pressing the gold price down, like other more conventional commodities. Therefore, gold continues to trend downwards, possibly even towards $600 a fine once.

In addition, as the risk of recession appears to gaining international perspective, the strength of certain non-U.S. dollar currencies, including the Euro are eroding and driving the U.S. dollar upwards. This, in turn, is bringing yet further downward pressure on the U.S. dollar price of gold.

Regardless of which candidate the United States selects, the next President will face the prospect of severe recession and be forced to “spend, spend, spend” in an effort to avoid an international depression. In the meantime, a second tsunami of credit card, auto, personal and business loan defaults is heading for the banking industry.

Investors are sensing the approaching storm. On January 12, 2009, General Motors Automobile Credit Corporation (GMAC) is due to redeem $1 billion worth of bond issues. Just three months from redemption, these GMAC bonds are trading at a massive discount from par. In today’s climate, three months can feel like an eternity. It is a finite measure of only a small part of the financial storm ahead.

In the third weekend of November, leaders of the G-20 nations will assemble in Washington for urgent economic talks. There may even be calls for a new Breton Woods to discuss a revised world monetary order. Key will be China’s role. It is likely that a major debasement of all currencies will be undertaken to rescue the global economy and with it, the world’s politicians. As this proposal gathers momentum, gold is likely to explode in price.

However, with the possible exception of countries like Switzerland, politicians the world over are likely to create international rules designed to preclude the holders of gold from making “windfall profits.”

Therefore, holders of gold should renew their efforts to ensure their holdings of gold are as isolated as possible from the long, greedy arm of the law.

Peter Schiff