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09/22/08 8:20 AM

#171437 RE: mcmike #171422

Absolutely, mike...still lost in the forest, imo...

westpacific

09/22/08 8:31 AM

#171442 RE: mcmike #171422

When the SEC and other regulators propose to
issue guidelines for how financial institutions can
“safely” engage in derivatives-dealing activities,
they are effectively acting as shills for the largest
money center banks, bringing new suckers to the
derivatives table to keep the game growing. The imperative
of keeping that derivatives market expanding
is best explained in terms of the Fed’s
pandering to the ten largest banks. Because derivatives
are so important to the profitability of large
dealers like JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, and
Citigroup, regulators have no choice but to encourage
the use of imaginary securities by an ever-growing
number of “investors.”

-Every game of chance must
have a chump, and the broadening
of the pool of players means that
larger and larger swaths of
American society are now put
at risk to feed Wall Street’s
need for new suckers.

2004

http://www.international-economy.com/TIE_SU04_Whalen.pdf

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Who are these three banks JPM/C/BAC? They are THE FED!...

They never regulated them, they knew the risk, but the profits where just too great.

And they will continue unregulated till we get rid of THE FED...ask why has this not been controlled so far, they know the risks, they have always known the risks.

I will ask the question again, when are heads going to roll!



W





mcmike

09/22/08 3:47 PM

#171561 RE: mcmike #171422

Warren Buffett warned regulators about fancy derivatives years ago, but there was too much money being made at the time for anyone to listen.

Credit default swaps were created as insurance to protect banks from bad borrowers who couldn't pay back their loans. Unfortunately, no one ever thought about or factored the risk involved if the sellers of this sort of protection couldn't pay.

The numbers involved here are absolutely staggering: from 1999 to 2007, the credit default market rocketed from around $600 billion to over $45 trillion. Yes, trillion. With that sort of widespread exposure to risky loans, any hiccup was bound to have severe consequences.

American International Group (AIG) themselves had over $18 billion in losses from guarantees it wrote on mortgage-linked derivatives.

The Bottom Line

A good analogy to what most taxpayers deal with on a daily basis would be car or home insurance. When there is an accident or fire, you expect your insurance company to make good on your insurance claim. Seemingly, none of these insurers ever expected any accidents within the credit default market. Many companies rushed into the lucrative space, as they tend to do when a market becomes as large as the credit default market got.

The problem is that AIG (which insures a whole lot of other things, like cars, homes, etc.) didn't manage its risks correctly, and could no longer sustain itself on its own - they simply owed much more money to their clients than they could possibly pay back. The lesson learned here is that tighter regulation needs to be passed to limit insurers' amount of exposure to risky debt-based products, or scenarios like we are seeing now are bound to happen again.


http://www.knobias.com/story.htm?eid=3.1.6ca3ece9c74781406b46dbfcca4698cf889c710f24e1cbdeea3e8f92462db563

mcmike

09/23/08 7:00 PM

#171782 RE: mcmike #171422

Buffett's "time bomb" goes off on Wall Street
Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:42pm EDT

sort of a primer on the mess we're in..and how we got there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1837154020080918?pageNumber=3&virtualBrandChannel=0