Lefty, thanks for the critique. I went back and re-read the renko stuff again. Geez... As a former teacher, I think the saying is true... On anything new, people only retain 30% of what they read/learn in the 1st pass. Then another 30% on the 2nd, and finally by the 3rd they should remember it all. (That is unless you are my sister with a photographic memory. Sure helped her through med school.