Trev what you are getting at is where is the excitement from us longs? Good question. I could tell Herb was excited in his E-Mail to us. Considering how fast they got waferpierce (The Holy Grail) going we should all be quite happy. Wait for the day when this pops up a few bucks in one day and all the long and strongs will be doing cart wheels. Btw. I got rid of our double posts. We both did the same thing. Just shows great minds screw up alike. Good to have one long on the board who gets excited. Thanks, RW~