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06/08/08 8:35 AM

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Who cares, fry him....

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06/08/08 3:46 PM

#63517 RE: F6 #63497

Senator Graham: McCain's Policies Would "Absolutely" Be An Extension Of Bush's (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/08/senator-graham-mccains-po_n_105916.html

F6

06/15/08 8:24 PM

#63853 RE: F6 #63497

'I'm Not Anti-Islam; Islam is Anti-Me'



ON FAITH
Sally Quinn Interview | VIDEO: Ayaan Hirsi Ali explains why she left Islam and became an atheist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/04/16/VI2008041602291.html

my comment -- remarkable -- whatever your views, just do it, go watch and listen -- trust me on this one





"Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty."

F6

F6

09/09/08 10:18 PM

#66469 RE: F6 #63497

What's the difference between Palin and Muslim fundamentalists? Lipstick


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin addresses supporters during a campaign rally in Lee's Summit, Mo., Sept. 8, 2008.
AP Photo/Stephan Savoia


A theocrat is a theocrat, whether Muslim or Christian.

Editor's note: You can find Salon's complete coverage of Sarah Palin here [ http://dir.salon.com/topics/sarah_palin/ ].

By Juan Cole

Sept. 9, 2008 | John McCain announced that he was running for president to confront the "transcendent challenge" of the 21st century, "radical Islamic extremism," contrasting it with "stability, tolerance and democracy [ http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/872473dd-9ccb-4ab4-9d0d-ec54f0e7a497.htm ]." But the values of his handpicked running mate, Sarah Palin, more resemble those of Muslim fundamentalists than they do those of the Founding Fathers. On censorship, the teaching of creationism in schools, reproductive rights, attributing government policy to God's will and climate change, Palin agrees with Hamas and Saudi Arabia rather than supporting tolerance and democratic precepts. What is the difference between Palin and a Muslim fundamentalist? Lipstick.

McCain pledged to work for peace based on "the transformative ideals on which we were founded." Tolerance and democracy require freedom of speech and the press, but while mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Palin inquired of the local librarian how to go about banning books [ http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html ] that some of her constituents thought contained inappropriate language. She tried to fire the librarian for defying her. Book banning is common to fundamentalisms around the world, and the mind-set Palin displayed did not differ from that of the Hamas minister of education in the Palestinian government who banned a book of Palestinian folk tales for its sexually explicit language [ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/hamas-orders-book-of-palestinian-folk-tales-pulled-from-schools-439025.html ]. In contrast, Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it."

Palin argued when running for governor that creationism should be taught in public schools, at taxpayers' expense, alongside real science. Antipathy to Darwin for providing an alternative to the creation stories of the Bible and the Quran has also become a feature of Muslim fundamentalism. Saudi Arabia prohibits the study, even in universities, of evolution [ http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61698.htm ], Freud and Marx. Malaysia has banned a translation of "The Origin of the Species [ http://www.freemedia.at/cms/ipi/freedom_detail.html?country=/KW0001/KW0005/KW0123/ ]." Likewise, fundamentalists in Turkey have pressured the government to teach creationism in the public schools [ http://www2.truman.edu/~edis/writings/articles/islamic.html ]. McCain has praised Turkey as an anchor of democracy in the region, but Turkey's secular traditions are under severe pressure from fundamentalists in that country. McCain does them no favors by choosing a running mate who wishes to destroy the First Amendment's establishment clause, which forbids the state to give official support to any particular theology. Turkish religious activists would thereby be enabled to cite an American precedent for their own quest to put religion back at the center of Ankara's public and foreign policies.

The GOP vice-presidential pick holds that abortion should be illegal, even in cases of rape, incest or severe birth defects, making an exception only if the life of the mother is in danger. She calls abortion an "atrocity [ http://www.lifenews.com/state3466.html ]" and pledges to reshape the judiciary to fight it. Ironically, Palin's views on the matter are to the right of those in the Muslim country of Tunisia, which allows abortion in the first trimester for a wide range of reasons. Classical Muslim jurisprudents differed among one another on the issue of abortion, but many permitted it before the "quickening" of the fetus, i.e. until the end of the fourth month. Contemporary Muslim fundamentalists, however, generally oppose abortion.

Palin's stance is even stricter than that of the Parliament of the Islamic Republic of Iran. In 2005, the legislature in Tehran attempted to amend the country's antiabortion statute to permit an abortion up to four months in case of a birth defect. The conservative clerical Guardianship Council, which functions as a sort of theocratic senate, however, rejected [ http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/may/05050909.html ] the change. Iran's law on abortion is therefore virtually identical to the one that Palin would like to see imposed on American women, and the rationale in both cases is the same, a literalist religious impulse that resists any compromise with the realities of biology and of women's lives. Saudi Arabia's restrictive law on abortion likewise disallows it in the case or rape or incest, or of fetal impairment [ http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:ubUIstTgjUEJ:un.org/esa/population/publications/abortion/doc/saudiarabia.doc+Saudi+Arabia+abortion&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us ], which is also Gov. Palin's position.

Theocrats confuse God's will with their own mortal policies. Just as Muslim fundamentalists believe that God has given them the vast oil and gas resources [ http://tyo.ca/islambank.community/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1046 ] in their regions, so Palin asks church workers in Alaska to pray for a $30 billion pipeline in the state because "God's will has to get done [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_VduCWhzM&feature=related ]." Likewise, Palin maintained that her task as governor would be impeded "if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God." Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei of Iran expresses much the same sentiment [ http://web-srv.mfa.gov.ir/output/english/documents/doc11054.htm ] when he says "the only way to attain prosperity and progress is to rely on Islam."

Not only does Palin not believe global warming is "man-made [ http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/palin-denies-that-global-warming-is-man-made.aspx ]," she favors massive new drilling to spew more carbon into the atmosphere. Both as a fatalist who has surrendered to God's inscrutable will and as a politician from an oil-rich region, she thereby echoes Saudi Arabia. Riyadh has been found to have exercised inappropriate influence in watering down a report [ http://www.desmogblog.com/new-analysis-chinese-and-saudi-diplomats-water-down-global-warming-estimates ] in 2007 of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Neither Christians nor Muslims necessarily share the beliefs detailed above. Many believers in both traditions uphold freedom of speech and the press. Indeed, in a recent poll, over 90 percent of Egyptians and Iranians [ http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2008/ioi/080606-world-poll.html ] said that they would build freedom of expression into any constitution they designed. Many believers find ways of reconciling the scientific theory of evolution with faith in God, not finding it necessary to believe that the world was created suddenly only 6,000 ago. Some medieval Muslim thinkers asserted that the world had existed from eternity, and others spoke of cycles of hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Mystical Muslim poets spoke of humankind traversing the stages of mineral, plant and animal. Modern Islamic fundamentalists have attempted to narrow this great, diverse tradition.

The classical Islamic legal tradition generally permitted, while frowning on, contraception and abortion, and complete opposition to them is mostly a feature of modern fundamentalist thinking. Many believers in both Islam and Christianity would see it as hubris to tie God to specific government policies or to a particular political party. As for global warming, green theology, in which Christians and Muslims appeal to Scripture in fighting global warming [ http://www.chesapeakeclimate.org/news/news_detail.cfm?id=174 ], is an increasing tendency in both traditions.

Palin has a right to her religious beliefs, as do fundamentalist Muslims who agree with her on so many issues of social policy. None of them has a right, however, to impose their beliefs on others by capturing and deploying the executive power of the state. The most noxious belief that Palin shares with Muslim fundamentalists is her conviction that faith is not a private affair of individuals but rather a moral imperative that believers should import into statecraft wherever they have the opportunity to do so. That is the point of her pledge to shape the judiciary. Such a theocratic impulse is incompatible with the Founding Fathers' commitment to tolerance and democracy, which is why they forbade the government to "establish" or officially support any particular religion or denomination.

McCain once excoriated the Rev. Jerry Falwell and his ilk as "agents of intolerance." That he took such a position gave his opposition to similar intolerance in Islam credibility. In light of his more recent disgraceful kowtowing to the Christian right, McCain's animus against fundamentalist Muslims no longer looks consistent. It looks bigoted and invidious. You can't say you are waging a war on religious extremism if you are trying to put a religious extremist a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Salon contributor Juan Cole is a professor of modern Middle Eastern and South Asian history at the University of Michigan and the author of "Napoleon's Egypt: Invading the Middle East [ http://www.amazon.com/Napoleons-Egypt-Invading-Middle-East/dp/1403964319/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-5295125-6776839?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180392311&sr=8-2 ]."

Copyright ©2008 Salon Media Group, Inc.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/09/09/palin_fundamentalist/index.html

F6

03/11/09 2:01 AM

#76688 RE: F6 #63497

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

VS.

KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED
WAllO BIN 'ATTASH
RAMZI BIN AS-SHIBH
'ALI 'ABO AL-'AZIZ 'ALI
MUSTAFA AHMED AL-HAWSAWI

THE ISLAMIC RESPONSE TO THE GOVERNMENT'S NINE ACCUSATIONS

In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate

The 9/11 Shura' Council

Many thanks to God who revealed the Torah, the Bible, and the Quran, and may God praise his
messenger, the prophet Mohamed, so that he causes mercy to the two realms. Also, may God praise
the prophet's household, his entire companionship, and his followers until judgment day.

With regards to these nine accusations that you are putting us on trial for; to us, they are not
accusations. To us they are badges of honor, which we carry with pride. Many thanks to God, for his
kind gesture, and choosing us to perform the act of Jihad for his cause and to defend Islam and Muslims.
Therefore, killing you and fighting you, destroying you and terrorizing you, responding back to your
attacks, are all considered to be great legitimate duty in our religion. These actions are our offerings to
God. In addition, it is the imposed reality on Muslims in Palestine, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, in the
land of the two holy sites [Mecca and Medina, Saudi Arabia], and in the rest ofthe world, where
Muslims are suffering from your brutality, terrorism, killing ofthe innocent, and occupying their lands
and their holy sites. Nevertheless, it would have been the greatest religious duty to fight you over your
infidelity. However, today, we fight you over defending Muslims, their land, their holy sites,and their
religion as a whole.

The following is our Islamic response back to your n.ine untenable, just like a spider web, accusations:

First, "the conspiracy accusation":

This is a very laughable accusation. Were you expecting us to inform you about our secret attack plans?
Your intelligence apparatus, with all its abilities, human and logistical, had failed to discover our military
attack plans before the blessed 11 September operation. They were unable to foil our attack. We ask,
why then should you blame us, holding us aCcountable and putting us on trial? Blame yourselves and
your failed intelligence apparatus and hold them accountable, not us.

With regards to us, we were exercising caution and secrecy in our war against you. This is a natural
matter, where God has taught us in his book, verse 71 from An-Nisa: ((0 you believers! Toke your
precoutions, ond either goforth (on on expedition) in parties, or go forth together.))

Also, as the prophet has stated: "War is to deceive."

With regards to the second, third, and forth accusations; "Attacking civilians," "Attacking
civilian objects," and "deliberately causing grave bodily harm"
:

We ask you; who initiated the attacks on civilians? Who is attacking civilian objects? And who is causing
grave bodily harm against civilians? Is it us, or is it you?

You are attacking us in Palestine and Lebanon by providing political, military, and economic support to
the terrorist state of Israel, which in turn, is attacking unarmed innocent civilians. In addition, Israel
attacks Palestinian and Lebanese civilian objects by bombing them and destroying them. Furthermore,
Israel is causing grave bodily harm by using weapons that are forbidden internationally, such as: cluster
bombs in Lebanon and the rubber and live ammunitions in Palestine and breaking bones of Palestinian
children. Moreover, the Israeli criminal list is long and endless, against civilians in Lebanon and
Palestine.

In addition, was it not you that attacked an entire population in Iraq, destroying civilian targets and its
infrastructure? Was it not you that has killed one million Iraqi children caused by your oppressed
economic sanctions, which you imposed after the first Gulf War?

In fact, it was you who had wiped out two entire cities off the face of the earth and killed roughly half a
million people in a few minutes and caused grave bodily harm by nuclear radiation? Did you forget
about your nuclear bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

You are the last nation that has the right to speak about civilians and killing civilians. You are
professional criminals, with all the meaning the words carry. Therefore, we will treat you the same. We
will attack you, just like you have attacked us, and whomever initiated the attacks is the guilty party.

In God's book, verse 193, AI-Baqara, he states: ((The sacred month is for the sacred month, andfor the
prohibited things, there is the law of equality. Then, whoever transgresses the prohibition against
you, you transgress likewise against him.))

God stated, in verse 179, AI-Baqarah: ((And there is (a saving of) life for you in AI-Qisas (The law of
equality in punishment), 0 men of understanding, that you may become A/~Muttaquin (the pious).))

God also stated, in verse 40, AI-Shura: ((The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof.))

In verse 45, AI-Maida: ((Life for life, eye for an eye, nose fora nose, ear for an ear, tooth for a tooth,
and wounds equal for equal.))

In verse 193, AI-Baqara: ((... Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.))

With regards to accusations five and six. "Crimes in violation of the law of war." and
"Destroying property in violation of the law of war"
:

Who is breaking the law of war in this world? Is it us, or is it you? You have disobeyed all heaven and
earth's laws of war, to include your own laws.

You have violated the law of war by supporting the Israeli occupation of Arab land in Palestine and
Lebanon, and for displacing five million Palestinians outside their land. You have supported the
oppressor over the oppressed and the butcher over the victim.

Also, you have violated the law of war by attacking an independent sovereign Arab nation with you first
crusade campaign in 1991. By force, you have occupied the Arabian Peninsula and the Gulf. In addition,
today, you are occupying Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also, you have violated all laws of war, and in particular, your treatment of Prisoners of War, in
Afghanistan and Iraq. We are the best example of such violations and your "Black Sites" for torturing
prisoners. This, and with your "Abu-Ghurayb" prison in Iraq. Guantanamo camps are witness to all of
that.

So, you are the first class war criminals, and the whole world witnesses this. You have no values and
ethics and no principles. You are a nation without a religion. On the other hand, we are a great nation,
with a great religion, values, ethic s, and principles, which we comply with and follow, and we invite
people to following our ways. History will testify on our actions. You should look back at Salah AI-Din
and how ethically he treated your crusader ancestors that were prisoners to him.

We fight you to defense our nation, our religion, and our land. All heavenly and earthly laws guarantee
our rights to do so. We, Muslims, are content with God's book, the Quran, to fight you with. God has
granted us to fight, in verse 39, AI-Hajj: ((To those against whom war is waged, permission is given (to
fight,) because they are wronged and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid.))

God stated in his book, verse 190, AI-Baqara: ((And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but
be not the transgressor, Allah likes not the transgressors.))

With regards to the seventh accusation, "Hijacking and/or endangering a vessel or an
aircraft"
:

In return, we ask you: Which is more dangerous; Hijacking and/or endangering a vessel or an aircraft, or
endangering an entire population with a military occupation, killing and endangering innocent civilians
by starving them with an economic sanction?

If you do not respect the innocent in our countries, then we will do the same, by exposing you to danger
and hijacking in the air, at sea, and land.

In God's book, he ordered us to fight you everywhere we find you, even if you were inside the holiest of
all holy cities, The Mosque in Mecca, and the holy city of Mecca, and even during sacred months.

In God's book, verse 9, AI-Tawbah: (("rhen fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize
them, and besiege them and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush,))

Remember, that you are the ones who attacked the Iranian civilian aircraft, flight 655, in 1988 with your
Cruise missiles over the Hermuz straights, killing all of its 290 passengers, among them 66 children. They
are still shedding tears today over your victims. Does your blood have a value and the blood of Muslims
not?

With regards to the "Terrorism" accusations:

Who are the real terrorists? Is it us, or is it you? America is the terrorist country number one in the
world. Is has nuclear weapons of mass destruction, and the hydrogen bombs, and the biological
weapons, and its ocean fleets are around the world, threatening countries' security and safety and any
country that is not subjected to its oppressed will.

In addition, America is the main shepherd of the main support to the Israeli terrorism against Muslims in
the occupied state of Palestine, and also support and bond with the terrorist governments of the Arab
and Islamic world, which, in turn, oppress and suppress their own people that are calling for freedom,
and the application of Islamic law.

We do not possess your military might, not your nuclear weapons. Nevertheless, we fight you with the
almighty God. So, if our act of Jihad and our fighting with you caused fear and terror, then many thanks
to God, because it is him that has thrown fear into your hearts, which resulted in your infidelity,
paganism, and your statement that God had a son and your trinity beliefs.

God stated in his book, verse 151, AI-Umran: ((Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the
unbelievers, for that they joined companies with Allah, for which he has sent no authority; There
place will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrongdoers.))

God also stated in his book, verse 60, AI-Anfal: ((Against them make ready your strength to the utmost
of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the heart of the enemies of Allah and your
enemies.))

Also, God has informed us, in his book, of what is in your heart from fear and terror towards us, and that
you fear and have been terrorized from us more than God himself. Verse 13, AI-Hashir: ((Of a truth you
(Muslims) are more feared in their (the infidels from Christians, Jews, and others) hearts, than Allah.
This is because they are men devoid of understanding.))

Therefore, you do not fight us face-to-face, man-to-man. But rather, you fight us from behind
roadblocks, trenches, and warplanes, which are thousands of feet in the air.

Your status in Iraq and Afghanistan does not need any further explanation. God has demonstrated to us
your mental and your defeated fighting moral status.

God has stated in his book, verse 14, AI-Hashir: ((They fight not against you even together, except in
fortified townships, or from behind walls, their enmity among themselves is very great, you would
think that they were united, but their hearts are divided. That is because they are a people who
understand not.))

Our prophet was victorious because of fear. At a month distant, the enemy did not hear from him.

So, our religion is a religion of fear and terror to the enemies of God: the Jews, Christians, and pagans.
With God's wiling, we are terrorists to the bone. So, many thanks to God.

The Arab poet, Abu-Ubaydah AI-Hadrami, has stated: ((We will terrorize you, as long as we live with
swords, fire, and airplanes.))

With regards to the ninth accusation. "Material support to terrorism":

America is the number one, and the largest country in the world, in spreading military might and
terrorism. Also, America is the principle and greatest supplier to the occupying terrorist state of Israel in
Palestine. Also, America supports and finances the terrorist regimes that govern the countries ofthe
Arab world, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

Nevertheless, we are defending our rights, land, religion, and our oppressed Muslim brethrens around
the world. Therefore, we would spend all of our money and properties for this cause. This is not
strange, since Muslims are all part ofthe same Umma.

We will make all of our materials available, to defend and deter, and egress you and the filthy Jews from
our countries.

God has ordered us to spend for Jihad in his cause. This is evident in many Quranic verses.

Verse 195, AI-Baqara: ((And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own
hands contribute to your destruction, but do good; for Allah loves those who do good.))

We ask to be near to God, we fight you and destroy you and terrorize you. The Jihad in god's cause is a
great duty in our religion. We have news for you, the news is: You will be greatly defeated in
Afghanistan and Iraq and that America will fall, politically, militarily, and economically. Your end is very
near and your fall will be just as the fall of the towers on the blessed 9/11 day. We will raise from the
ruins, God willing. We will leave this imprisonment with our noses raised high in dignity, as the lion
emerges from his den. We shall pass over the blades of the sword into the gates of heaven.

So we ask from God to accept our contributions to the great attack, the great attack on America, and to
place our nineteen martyred brethren among the highest peaks in paradise.

God is great and pride for God, the prophet, and the believers....

Signed: The 9/11 Shura Council

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

Ramzi bin As-Shibh

Walid bin 'Attash

Mustafa Ahmed AI-Hawsawi

'Ali 'abd AI-'Aziz 'Ali

SundaY,3/1/1429h
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2009/03/10/gitmofiling.pdf
[via http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/10/guantanamo-detainees-september-11-2001 ]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/gitmo20090310.pdf
[via http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123669703768883959.html ]

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