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allnumbers

05/23/08 8:45 PM

#14457 RE: dread50above #14455

In an effort to minimize your most foreboding...

day as a moderator, I would like to remind you that your identifications of a few of the symptoms may be leading you to the wrong diagnosis.

Please consider how much worst this turn of events would be if there was a lack of supply, instead of just merely a price increase.

Please consider how much of the price increase is caused by nonsense events such as the decline in the value of the US dollar and the artificial influence of the commodity futures trading gambling activity.

Please consider how bad it could really be if the OEM failed to close plants that manufacture products that are not in demand.

Please consider how wonderful it will be when the OEM's recognize the true demand and serve it with the process of making the correct product available.

Please consider that the FTV was not created to increase MPG, but was created to serve a whole set of needs that do not include increasing the MPG.

Please consider that the IVT will be ignored as a solution until the ECU is perfected.

Please consider that when the ECU is perfected, it will require some sort of Hydraulic Accumulator in order to be more efficient than it already will be.

Please consider that in order to affect a timely paradigm shift in technology, all of the pain at the pump is most likely necessary to quickly and properly stage the acceptance of this paradigm shift in technology. Without this pain, it would, most likely, take longer to accept.

Now, take a few minutes to feel good about where we are in this process, don't be so foreboding, it isn't necessary; and then take a look at some of the comments made by ordinary soles about the prospect of the Ford Hydraulic Hybrid technology that is being developed in secret (according to the spies of the world) at this link:

http://www.fordmuscle.com/blog/ford-to-build-60-mpg-f150/112114

Dino1717

05/23/08 9:15 PM

#14458 RE: dread50above #14455

See you all in the soup line.

Thanks for the post Dread.

How did we not see this coming?

After the boys lose the family home, it is Mrs. G. I am most concerned about. Will she have a warm place to stay? I will be standing in the soup line next to Jim and Keith with their 16 million shares down the tubes, ready to give them what for. Of all people, should they not have been the ones who wanted to see the company succeed?

To take a page from one of our posters here: "it is time to sell this lemon" lol lol lol lol.................

Have a great weekend everybody. IMO exciting and properous days are ahead.

Dino




blue heron

05/24/08 12:15 PM

#14471 RE: dread50above #14455

If the FTV were a chiefly recreational vehicle

like the SUV I would agree that a spike in gasoline would crimp demand. But it is not. It is a vehicle made to perform tasks that need to be done no matter the cost of gasoline, and tasks that are performed by users well able to afford to fill up at any price: government, big oil, the forestry industry, as so on. Even for recreational use, which I consider minor myself, if you can afford the sticker price of one of these babies you do not much care about the price of gas. In short, the market for the FTV is a tier of very deep pockets, perhaps recession-proof. And if the FTV does the tasks they need done more efficiently, it will be their vehicle of choice.
As far as Nissan, my earlier post was perhaps itself too subtle (and on re-reading perhaps a trifle smug). I think your apparent gloom reflects the notion that Nissan walked because it found the isotorque wanting. I cannot believe that. What is more likely, given Torvec's history, is that Nissan found a gold mine but wants to pay for a rock quarry. If that is the case, and I don't know, I can tell Nissan that our esteemed CEO and Board will not bite. And, if so again, I hope they do not. And, posters like yourself going around shedding desolation are not helping our cause intimating a shareholder revolt. There isn't one. After that mini-shareholder meeting reported by Torv4me, it is clear to me that the heavy hitters are sticking. And a lot of the rest of us. And besides, management owns Torvec and they will not be low-balled.
Microsoft walked out on Google: too much money. Does that mean a deal is dead? According to Friday's WSJ there are players involved who won't let that happen. All it means is that someone has to re-think their position. Let's not get too despondent about this.