Replies to post #16 on Wiley's Politics - The Elephants and the @sses (WPEA)

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Bush's motives for going in there were crazy. Saddam was no threat to anyone in the region other than Iran.

We should have taken him out during Desert Storm. That was the time to have gone in to Iraq. It would have been over in 2 months top probably. We had justification for it. Storm-in Norman wanted to do just that. Ole man Bush chose otherwise. Every war crime imaginable he was then guilty of. He was left for the lesser of the two evils. Now we got the more powerful evil, and Alqaeda, and the Taliban regrouping.

Setting dates publicly is probably not the best of ideas. We need to get out there sooner than later, and establish checkpoints like the Israeli's do. The country does have to protect itself and the training and equipment will need to be sold to them so they can. Your right we put the country in a vulnerable situation and now we are bogged down. The whole Middle East situation crazy without the Taliban and Alqaeda. There little else than a MiddleEast gang of fanatics with to much time on their hands. We get Bin Laden and this would change the face of things imo. Won't stop the insurgent problem that is really coming out between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Thats the area we need to be lighting up from the air.



Iraq/oil and big business like Halliburton and Bush not wanting to pursue Bin Laden seemed evident considering the Bush's family and their close ties with the Bin Laden family.

The politicians spent 8 years pursuing Clinton and trying to take him down, and when 911 took place they got caught with their pants down.

Iraq??????????.

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THIS IS A NONPARTISAN JOKE THAT CAN BE ENJOYED BY BOTH PARTIES! NOT ONLY THAT ... IT IS POLITICALLY CORRECT!!



While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.



"Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the man.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven, "says the senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules." And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the Middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.



Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises... The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit heaven."

So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. "I don't understand," stammers the senator! "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning ...
...
Today you voted."