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3Saints

02/04/08 9:12 AM

#94058 RE: kipp440 #94057

According to an analysis conducted for BusinessWeek by Zillow.com, the real estate Web site, a further 20% decline in prices nationwide would mean that two-thirds of people who bought in the past year would owe more than their homes would be worth, meaning they couldn't take out cash if they wanted to.

And what do you suppose many will do...Cramer says WALK AWAY...lol...and many will

riskanalyst

02/04/08 9:58 AM

#94062 RE: kipp440 #94057

Businessweek: I read the hard copy of that article, but loved the slide show and how it showed what % decline brings us to a certain years valuation level. Shows that there is still some exuberance baked into certain areas prices. Looking at Miami & Phoenix, it seems like a world of pain is still waiting for house hunters there.

My own personal situation, I've been renting since I got married 5 years ago, because I thought housing prices had gone insane. I've convinced my wife of the fact and was nagged ruthlessly during the up years, but some form of vindication has settled in. I want to live in Northern NJ and I'm planning on renting for at least another year, maybe two. Good thing rental costs are still low, until they are near even w/ buying it still makes no sense. During all this time waiting, I've had a kid that's 2 yrs old and just had another newborn last month. I think this year and next year's decline will be the most substantial. The dam has broken...

From a stock point of view, I tried shorting homebuilders but had to sell out of my position about 6 months too early. Tried shorting BZH missed it. Than tried shorting FED, but again a little too early. Both times probably bet a little too large, so couldn't withstand too much upside. Next time I short, I'll take a position I can handle and not be so greedy with putting on the largest position possible. That's the problem with shorting is staying liquid before the timing becomes right.

yielddude

02/04/08 12:27 PM

#94072 RE: kipp440 #94057

prediction on reverse ETF's ...

I think a year from now, people will look back and see that the following ETF prices were a gift:
SRS and SKF under $100, and QID below $50 - home prices dropping, foreclosure rates rising, banks writing off billions, and debt ratings getting ready to take a tumble.
I was reading the other day about a site ...
http://www.youwalkaway.com/index.html

They advise you (for about $895) how to walk away from your home and mortgage, when the value of your home falls below the amount you owe on your mortgage. Insane that we had to come to this.
Anyhow, I could always be wrong (have been frequently), but in this case I am putting my money where my mouth is. I have been a consistent buyer of reverse ETF's since August 2007, and they now comprise approximately 50% of my portfolio. I intitially bought some as a hedge, but have since become convinced that the economy is on a downward path that can not be avoided. It can be delayed, and I believe the govt will try everything they can to do so, but I think the pain is inevitable.
Of course, there will still be plenty of opportunities for astute investors and nimble traders to make money, but I am putting most of my money on the downward trend.
Regards,
yield