Oh yeah forgot to mention E-trade did give me e-trade pro and market-trader while I didn't qualify. short by 8 trades last quarter.. A little telephone persuasion and there yaw go, was pretty easy. they are trying to appeal to customers.. Of course i dumped my etfc shares for a loss yesterday, ha.. however perhaps the position i dumped em for will be brighter. And then I'll come back hopefully before ETFC makes their quarterly next week.