I don't know if I'm feeling defensive or what the frick - but I make a couple posts - not saying whether I support a posistion or not and your guys got me feeling not I gotta defend what the heck I'm posting at every turn. Excel I agree about 98% with what you said. I'm just posting stuff I find interesting on the net - is it going to spark a discussion - I guess. Wait until you look at the link on the book reviews and read the one on the "Purpose Driven Life" that guy doesn't - well - you'll see. And I kind of a agree with many of his points.