Replies to post #9649 on Intel Corp (INTC)

[SemiconEng]

Let the man tell you himself.


It's not surprising to me that Jerry does not favor intel's business practices, and he has every right to his opinion. I notice that he does not say that intel is doing anything illegal, just that he doesn't like it, and it hurts AMD........ Ummmmmm I mean "the competition"...... yeah, that's it, not AMD...... No, the competition.........

I notice At Least.... that he managed to refrain from calling P4 a dud..... this time anyway. But even in this article, he couldn't resist calling intel "ugly" names, as you highlighted. I'm not surprised.

Is competition only good when it favors number 2? Or maybe you're suggesting, like someone else that I know that intel should "give" more share to their competitors to "level the playing field". Competition goes both ways baby, despite what some might wish.


instead of this caricature you seem to have.


Oh, I think I've got the picture all right. I'm sure that I could drag up just as many articles where Jerry acted like a Jerk, as you could where he "happened" to act decently (barely), but I doubt that your quantity would be anywhere near mine. You're entitled to your opinion of the man. I don't share it.


Semi

[wbmw]

Mas, Re: Centrino is a prime example. In most cases, if you want to get a wireless capability in your portable you have to buy a Centrino base. Why? Because Intel won’t give their subsidies to PC makers if they use anybody else’s 802.11 networking chips. Think about that – Intel has a near-monopoly on
enterprise PCs. The only way that they will let you advertise [with MDF] that you’ve got Centrino, which they’re going to spend $300 million to promote, is if you use their networking solutions, even if there’s a better one available from Broadcom or elsewhere, and there are, and so consumers
are forced in the absence of competition to pay a higher price for an inferior technology. To me, this is an example of a dominant company using its market power to diminish or make market forces irrelevant. If market forces are irrelevant, then entrepreneurial fervor is useless. If the market forces
don’t support the entrepreneur, he can’t possibly succeed. If this happens, the big companies will always win, the deck is stacked, you lose, and Silicon Valley becomes Monopoly Valley."

Come on, Mas, you aren't buying this tripe, are you?

Sanders whines about Intel's Centrino brand simply because he didn't think of it first. This is the same guy that defended Microsoft's tactic of putting features in their OS for free that compete with 3rd party software. He actually had the gall to stand before a court and say that Microsoft should be allowed to put financial software in Windows for free that would compete with software like Quicken, and if the 3rd party vendor couldn't improve their software enough to compete with Microsoft's free version, then they deserved to be forced out of the market!

Sanders sold his soul to Bill Gates to get 64-bit Windows support, you can read his court transcript for proof - I know it was discussed on SI pretty thoroughly a couple years ago.

Intel's Centrino brand is only successful because Intel has put the market dollars into it. They paid for it, and they own it, so they can do whatever they please with it. Vendors are making a lot of money based on the demand that Intel has created, so who besides Jerry Sanders should be pissed off at it? Moreover, he still focuses on the wireless part of it, which has improved in competitiveness ever since Intel launched their 802.11g support and lowered the power of their device.

Besides, this isn't the same as what Sanders advocates for Microsoft. At least people who want a Pentium M processor can buy a laptop with another vendor's wireless adapter. ATI, VIA, and SiS will soon be making Pentium M chipsets as well. Centrino is just a marketing name, and it comes at a $300M price to Intel. Therefore, they deserve the market share, because they were the ones that generated the demand.

In Microsoft's case, which Sanders supports, the competing software is being offered for free in an OS that has >95% market share among consumers. Who in their right mind would buy a third party software when they can get one for free? Microsoft could easily kill the Quicken software by integrating Money into Windows, and it wouldn't cost them a dime (except for the lost opportunity of separate Money sales). Intel doesn't give their wireless away for free; They don't own >95% of the laptop market; most important of all, the third party solutions are just as easily available and configurable.

Sanders is worse than a hypocrite here. He is a piece of crap car salesman who has a bone to pick with Intel, and he will do or say anything to get his point across. Quote him if you want, but I'd take anything he says no more seriously than if it came from a three year old with a tantrum.