Hay Doc H, you mean WAS, ya,, you know alot about the past(maybe) But Cat orders are way down for 08 and there orders are a year in advance,, SOOO, I guess you just aint up on the 08 regs. Shooten from the hip again,, seems you lost your touch, Theres MUCH more to this story but, you can DD it for yourself, if you really want to know,, and I doubt you do,,,,Thanks for the History Lesson,, val