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sgolds

02/18/04 1:43 PM

#26654 RE: wmbz #26649

wmbz, highjack? No. Effective agreements and court cases established a long time ago that Intel and AMD both have rights to x86 and certain derivatives.

A better answer is FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) that Intel wants to introduce into the market. By calling AMD64 by a degrading name, IA-32e, Intel is claiming that AMD64 isn't a true 64-bit architecture like IA-64 (Itanium). It is their way of saying sure, we can give you an extended 32-bit processor until you are ready for the real thing.

I don't think it is working for several reasons:

1. The impressive results from Opteron tests have shown that it plays in the same league as other 64-bit architectures, and overlaps with Itanium.

2. Intel is stoking an internal war between the x86 and IPF proponents, on all levels. Xeon and Itanium development teams are competing to see who can ultimately win the server market (which can be a positive competition for Intel as long as it doesn't become too nasty), marketing groups are competing with each other in some server markets (like databases), sales quotes will directly clash in the market (do we go with the IPF quote from vendor X or the Xeon quote from vendor Y, or how about that Opteron quote from Z?).

Intel can't artificially limit Xeon-64 because that will drive business to AMD. That inevitably leads to a wide overlap between the capabilities of Xeon-64 and Itanium - that overlap already exists between Opteron and Itanium, so if Xeon-64 is to match Opteron then it conflicts with Itanium.

Papering this over with a degrading name like IA-32e is pathetic. It is confusing for the customer. AMD's message is much clearer: If you want clear 64-bit capabilities with backwards compatibility then AMD64 is for you.
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Windsock

02/18/04 1:54 PM

#26659 RE: wmbz #26649

The number of instructions for the 64 bit extension to the IA32 instructions set is trivial in number. A logical description is IA32 Extension.

It takes a monumental ego to declare that these few tweaks constitute a new instruction set. It is like painting a new color on superman's cape and declaring that you are the original creator of the character.

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Mysef

02/18/04 2:15 PM

#26666 RE: wmbz #26649

wmbz,
can you reword you comments?
I don't understand what you said.

AMD64 is fine and IA32 is fine and IA64 is fine.
And Whatever128 will be fine. AMD has been making IA32 processors for a long time. There isn't anything wrong for Intel to start manufacturing AMD64 processors. Everyone knows what an IA32 is. Everyone knows what an IA64 is. And everyone knows what an AMD64 processor is.

Intel has already made attempts to rewrite history. Just read the posts on the Internet from Intel employees, retirees, and contractors. The past is a matter of record so very little research is needed to highlight the fud coming from Intel's PR machine.

Remember, perception is cheaper than reality. DELL will sell oodles of Intel's AMD64 processors even though it will likely have power and performance problems.

Mysef
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Mysef

02/18/04 2:48 PM

#26682 RE: wmbz #26649

wmbz,
I may understand your comments better now.

I agree Intel is trying to hijack AMD64.
Nothing wrong with Intel calling it AMD64.

I will take the position that Intel will be unsuccessful.

Mysef