yes, i believe so...
hagen, love, and even gouveia i think were all posting on different message boards...pumping (pimping if you like) schemes or plans and even securities....yo, SEC..........lol
imVho...fan cut these guys in on his 'cut' (53%) for any ROI.
what did fan bring to the table ??
...an already filthy polluted publicly trading shell--with an already established shareholder base (captive audience, if you will) that can't/won't (with that r/s) just dump their shares on the market hoping for SOME kind of a return.
...but what do i know ???