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maldinero

02/03/04 11:39 PM

#12681 RE: BlueDjinn #12680

Voting for ANY opponent of Bush gets easier by the day. His credibility qualifies him to become a CBS network executive this fall.
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Altaire4_2dot0

02/04/04 1:49 AM

#12683 RE: BlueDjinn #12680

Blue, I whole heartily agree. eom
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langostino

02/04/04 7:21 AM

#12687 RE: BlueDjinn #12680

OT: Blue - enjoy Michigan

presumably you'll be involved in organizing for the caucuses. That should be a big day for you regardless of the outcome.

But here is the reality: Dean is done. The only questions now are how much of a legacy he leaves (and how much opportunity and goodwill he squanders on personal ego), and how much of the movement remains intact after his inevitable departure. If you truly believe in the ideas and the movement, I'd be investing as much time as possible in the next 10 days, linking in to the rest of the movement in your state trying to make a cohesive decision about preserving the communications infrastructure, and finding a way to lateral to the winning camp in a way that offers you some clout.

Please know, if you fail to make those connections until Dean's formal withdrawal, you'll have only diminished your own opportunity to see Dean's platform and ideas live on. A small dose of pragmatism here will save you a large dose of disillusionment and bitterness down the road, and give you the best chance of seeing the most things you believe in come to fruition.

My reading of his body language is of a man who's lost the fire, and is coming closer to acceptance of his fate, looking for a way out even. I realize those are not the words you're hearing, but that's just the script he's reading, not what's really going on behind the curtain. I would not be surprised to see him withdraw following the Maine contest next Tuesday, or possibly as late as Wisconsin in 2 weeks. Given the obvious writing on the wall in last night's polling results, you can bet the unions will be having a chat with Dean about his withdrawal and not tropedoing their interests with some kind of suicidal flame-out. They won't be the only ones. If he refuses to get out of the way at that point, insisting on going March 2, he'll be personna non grata.

IF he loses Michigan convincingly, is beaten in Washington and Maine (as I expect he will be), and fails to get out, it will be an extremely poor choice, and I don't think you help your own future ability to see the things you believe in advanced by joining him in a sad, belligerent, counter-productive death march.


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ljk

02/04/04 7:57 AM

#12688 RE: BlueDjinn #12680

BD: Did you see this? Any thoughts?

Ex-Dean campaign manager lands job at MSNBC
- Feb 3, 2004 06:19 PM (Reuters)
- http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=40411543


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LOS ANGELES, Feb 3 (Reuters) - Howard Dean's ex-campaign
manager, Joe Trippi, has landed a job as a political analyst on
MSNBC, the network said on Tuesday.


A week after quitting Dean's campaign following the former
governor's losses in Iowa and New Hampshire, Trippi is joining
MSNBC's election team for coverage of Tuesday's seven-state
round of primaries and caucuses.


Trippi will offer election night commentary as part of a
panel moderated by MSNBC's "Hardball" host Chris Matthews,
network spokeswoman Alana Russo said.


Other panelists, returning from last week's New Hampshire
coverage, include conservative columnist Joe Scarborough,
Democratic strategist Jacques DeGraff, former Clinton White
House spokeswoman Dee Dee Myers, and Ron Reagan, son of former
President Ronald Reagan, Russo said.


MSNBC, a joint venture of the General Electric Co.-owned
(NYSE:GE) network NBC and Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT), will anchor
its coverage of Tuesday's primaries from its studios in
Secaucus, New Jersey. It was unclear whether Trippi will remain
with MSNBC beyond Tuesday night.


Trippi, the Internet guru who helped propel Dean from an
obscure former governor of Vermont to the top of the Democratic
field, left Dean last week rather than take another campaign
post as Dean reshuffled his organization in a bid to regain
momentum after stinging defeats in Iowa and New Hampshire.


With Trippi's help, Dean raised $40 million by the end of
last year, more than any other Democrat, mostly through small
donations over the Internet.


The 47-year-old Trippi has worked for a series of past
Democratic campaigns, among them the failed White House bids of
Edward Kennedy, Walter Mondale, Gary Hart, and Richard
Gephardt.