I'm not sure what we disagree on, the r/s is the kiss of death to 99% of otc or pink sheet stocks. Thats why timing is so important when trading these cash burners. Its also the reason I don't want to be in any of these stocks longer than I have too. To be honest with you, you and several others on this board seem way to intelligent to even be messing with these kinds of co's, but I'm betting it won't happen again. I'm just betting it goes up from here... we will see. glty